
Aboard the papal plane, May 7, 2019 / 04:30 pm (CNA).- Please read below for CNA’s full transcript of the pope’s May 7 in-flight press conference from Skopje, North Macedonia to Rome:
Alessandro Gisotti:
Good evening Holy Father, thank you after such intense days for being here to share a thought about this journey that was so intense and so beautiful. A short trip, inevitably a short press conference, I will not add words other than these: Holy Father you have already walked in the footsteps of Mother Teresa, a great witness of Christian love, and we have all been struck today, as you know it, by the death of Jean Vanier, another friend, brother of the least of these, another great witness. Here, before the questions I wanted to ask if you wanted to share a thought about Jean Vanier.
Pope Francis:
Yes, I knew of the illness of Jean Vanier. His sister, Geneviève Jeanningros, informed me on a regular basis. One week ago, I called him on the phone, he listened to me, but could hardly speak. I would like to express my gratitude for this testimony. He was a man who knew how to read the Christian existence from the mystery of death on the cross of illness, from the mystery of those who are despised and rejected in the world. He worked, not only for the least of these, but also for those who before birth face the possibility of being sentenced to death. He spent his life like this. I am simply thankful to him and thankful to God for giving us this man with a great witness.
Gisotti:
Thank you, Holy Father, the first question will be from Biljana Zherevska of TV Macedonia.
Biljana Zherevska, MRT: [In English] Your Holiness, it is a great pleasure to have you in our country. We feel honored by your visit. What is interesting for us is to hear from you what is your greatest impression from the two countries, what touched you the most? The persons, objects, atmosphere. What will you remember of these two countries when you go [back] to the Holy See?
Pope Francis: They are two totally diverse nations. Bulgaria is a nation of a tradition from centuries ago. Macedonia, on the other hand, has a tradition from centuries, but not as a country: as a people, that ultimately rose to form as a nation… It is a beautiful fight! For us Christians Macedonia is a symbol of the entrance of Christianity in the East. Christianity entered in the East through you all.. those Macedonians that appeared to Paul in a dream: “come to us, come to us.” He was leaving for Asia, it is a mystery that call… And the Macedonian people are proud of this, they do not lose the opportunity to say that Christianity entered Europe through us, through our door, because Paul was called by a Macedonian.
Bulgaria has had to fight so much for its identity as a nation. The mere fact that in the 1800s, I believe 1823, more or less, 200,000 Russian soldiers died to regain independence from the hands of the Turks … we think of what 200,000 means. So much struggle for independence, so much blood, so much mystique to find consolidation of identity.
Macedonia had the identity and now it has come to consolidate it as a people, with small, big problems, like its name, and this we all know. Both have Christian, Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim communities. The percentage of Orthodox is very strong in both with a small amount of Muslims and even fewer Catholics, in Macedonia more so than Bulgaria. A thing I saw in both nations is the good relationship between the different faiths. In Bulgaria we saw it in the prayer for peace. This is a normal and beautiful thing for Bulgarians, because they have a good relationship, each person has the right to express his own religion and has the right to be respected. This touched me. Then the dialogue with Patriarch Neophyte was a beauty… he is a man of God, a great man of God. In Macedonia I was struck by a phrase the president told me: “Here there is not religious tolerance, there is respect.” They have respect. In a world like this respect is missed very much. Respect for human rights, we miss respect for so many things, respect for children, for the elderly, that the mystique of a country would be respect is striking. I do not know if I answered more or less briefly.
Gisotti:
Holy Father, the next question will be asked by Peter Nanev from Bulgarian television.
Peter Nanev, BTV: Good evening. Peter Nanev, BTV Bulgaria. [In English] It is more of a personal question, as Your Holiness, you’re like a human being, from where do you find strength in your body, in your spirit in cases when you have to give even more strength for a heavily sick child?
Pope Francis: First of all I would like to tell you that I do not go to the witch… [laughs]. I do not know. I do not know, really. It is a gift from the Lord. When I am in a country, I forget everything, but not because I want to forget it, I forget it, and I am only there. And then this gives me perseverance, I don’t know, but [when] I am on the trip I am not tired! Then I am tired! After! But where do I take the strength from? I believe that the Lord gives it to me, there is no explanation. I ask the Lord to be faithful, to serve him in this work of travels, that the trip will not be tourism. I ask. All is his grace. Nothing else comes to me to say. But then I do not do so much work, huh? Thank you.
Gisotti:
He will now address a question. We remain in Eastern Europe, Silvije Tomasevic of Croatian press and television, Vecernij List.
Silvije Tomasevic, Vecernij List: The national Orthodox Churches are not always in agreement among them, for example, they have not recognized the Macedonian Church. But when they have to criticise the Catholic Church they are always in unison, for example the Serbian Church does not want Cardinal Stepinac to be canonized. Your comment on this situation?
Pope Francis: In general, the relationships are good, they are good and there is good will. I can tell you sincerely that I have met men of God among the patriarchs. Neophyte is a man of God, and then him that I carry in my heart, a favorite, Ilia II of Georgia is a man of God, that has been good to me, Bartholomew is a man of God, Kirill is a man of God. They are great patriarchs that give witness. You can tell me. But everyone, we have defects. Everyone. But in the patriarchs I have found brothers and some… I do not want to exaggerate, but I would like to say the word ‘saints’ and this is important.
Then there are historic things between our Churches, some old things, for example today the president was saying to me that the Eastern schism began here in Macedonia.
Now the pope comes for the first time, to mend the schism I do not know, but to say we are brothers, because we cannot adore the Holy Trinity without hands united as brothers. This is not only my conviction, also the patriarchs’, everyone.
Then there is a historic world… you are Croatian? It was seeming to me I sensed the aroma of Croatia. The canonization of Stepinac is a historic case. He is a virtuous man for this Church, which has proclaimed him Blessed, you can pray [through his intercession]. But at a certain moment of the canonization process there are unclear points, historic points, and I should sign the canonization, it is my responsibility, I prayed, I reflected, I asked advice, and I saw that I should ask Irenej, a great patriarch, for help. We made a historic commission together and we worked together, and both Irenej and I are interested in the truth. Who is helped by a declaration of sanctity if the truth is not clear? We know that [Stepinac] was a good man, but to make this step I looked for the help of Irenej and they are studying. First of all the commission was set up and gave its opinion. They are studying other sources, deepening some points so that the truth is clear. I am not afraid of the truth, I am not afraid. I am afraid of the judgment of God.
Gisotti: There is time for another question. Joshua McElwee.
Josh McElwee, National Catholic Reporter: Thank you so much, Holy Father. In Bulgaria you visited an Orthodox community that has continued a long tradition of ordaining women deacons. In a few days you will meet with the International Union of Superiors General*, that three years ago requested a commision for women deacons. Can you tell us something you have learned from the report of the commission on the ministry of women in the early years of the Church? Have you made some decision?
Pope Francis: I did not hear the first part of your question.
McElwee: [repeats a part of the question.]
Pope Francis: The commission was made, it worked for almost two years. They were all different, all toads from different wells, all thinking differently, but they worked together and were in agreement until a certain point. But each of them then has her own view that does not agree with that of the others. And there they stopped as a commission and each is studying [how] to go forward.
For the female diaconate, there is a way to imagine it with a different view from the male diaconate. For example, the formulas of female deacon ordination found until now, according to the commission, are not the same for the ordination of a male deacon and are more similar to what today would be the abbatial blessing of an abbess. This is the answer of some of them. I’m speaking a little from the ear, from memory.
Others say that it is a female deacon formula, but they argue that it is not clear. There were female deacons, but was it a sacramental ordination or not? And that is discussed, it is not clear. That they helped in liturgy, in Baptisms by immersion, when the woman was baptized the deaconesses helped, also for [unclear] the woman’s body. Then a document came out where diaconesses were called by the bishop when there was a matrimonial argument for the dissolution of the marriage or divorce or separation. When the woman accused her husband of beating her and the bishop called the deaconesses to look at the woman’s body for the bruises and so they testified in the judgment. These are the things I remember.
But fundamentally, there is no certainty that it was an ordination with the same form, in the same purpose as male ordination. Some say there is doubt, let’s go ahead and study. I am not afraid of studying, but up to this moment it does not proceed.
Then it is curious that where there were deaconesses it was almost always a geographic zone, especially in Syria. And then in another part, it does not touch or nothing. All these things I received from the commission. Each one continues to study, and [they have] done a good job, because up to a certain point [they were] in agreement. And this can be an impetus to go ahead and study and give a definitive answer, yes or no, according to the characteristics of that time.
An interesting thing. Some theologians of a few years ago, 30 years ago for example, said that there were no deaconesses because women were in the background in the Church, not only in the Church. Always women… But it is a curious thing: in that period there were so many pagan priestesses, the female priesthood in pagan cults was ordinary in that day. As it is understood as a female priesthood, a pagan priesthood in women, it was not done in Christianity. This is being studied also. They have arrived at a point, now each of the members is studying according to her theory. This is good. Varietas delectat.
Gisotti: Holy Father, thank you for your availability. The press conference finishes here, at this point, because in a little while they will serve the dinner. And so, thank you to you all. Especially during this trip when we woke up at night to move [from place to place].
Pope Francis: I would like to say one thing about the trip: Something I found much consolation in and which has touched me profoundly during the trip. Two extreme experiences. The experience with the poor today here in Macedonia at the Mother Teresa Memorial. There were so many poor people, but to see the meekness of those sisters: they were caring for the poor without paternalism, but as children. But a meekness, the ability to caress the poor, the tenderness of these sisters. Today, we are used to insulting each other. One politician insults the other, one neighbor insults the other, even in families they insult each other. I cannot say that it is a culture of insult, but the insult is a weapon in the hand, even to speak ill of others, slander, defamation, and to see these sisters that care for every person as Jesus. It hit me, a good young man approached and the superior told me, ‘this is a good boy’ and caressed him and she said it with the tenderness of a mom and made me feel the Church a mother. It is one of the most beautiful things to feel the maternity of the Church. Today I felt it there.
I thank Macedonia for having this [inaudible]. Another extreme experience was the First Communion in Bulgaria. I was moved because my memory went back to October 8, 1944, to my First Communion, when they sang [the hymn] ‘O santo altare custodito dagli angeli’ (who here remembers it?), I saw those children that open themselves to life with a sacramental decision. The Church guards the children, they are limited, they have to grow, I am promised, and I lived it very strongly, I felt in that moment those 249 children were the future of the Church, they were the future of Bulgaria. These are two things that I lived with much intensity I wanted to communicate. Thank you very much, pray for me. I do not want to leave without speaking about these days, the centenary of trips. They are roses from Bulgaria, a small thought to mark the 100th trip.
They tell us that now there will be whiskey.
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By his fruits do we know him.
(See also, “German Synodal Way approves same-sex blessings, lay preaching, and reexamination of priestly celibacy“.)
A decade of disaster.
The author’s upshot appears to be that Catholic journalists aren’t doing their jobs correctly. Perhaps the headline editor didn’t read the article, but I took the headline at face value and thought I was going to read the author’s take on this papacy. In that sort of column I would have expected to see how this papacy threw faithful Chinese Catholics under the bus with nary a word of thanks and admiration. Instead it gave authority to their Communist atheist persecutors to vet episcopal appointments. I expected to read how the pope would grant one interview after another to an Italian atheist journalist (who, according to Vatican PR folks, “mis-spoke”, then never corrected the record) and refused to talk with the four dubia cardinals, and Cardinal Zen. Or how, without a word of thanks to Catholics who remained faithful to their marriage vows even after civil divorces, instead called them and others who support them “pharisees” and “legalists.” The list of ruinous behavior is endless.
Perhaps my disappointment should be directed at the headline editor, who lured me into an article that is mostly about “inside the beltway” Church stuff, rather than how this papacy is deconstructing Catholicism around the globe.
JP do you have a reference for the “pharisees” and “legalists” comment? Was it in a homily? thanks
For starters, there is: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-pope-francis-blasts-legalism-of-amoris-laetitia-critics3/
An AMERICA article of 4/8/21< "Communion for the divorced and remarried, papal critics and family life: Pope Francis' 'Amoris Laetitia' at 5 years" says:
"Despite such resistance, “Amoris Laetitia” has had a third, ongoing effect of furthering the implementation of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, including synodality, the primacy of conscience and the universal call to holiness that Pope Francis has made a goal of his pontificate to actualize. With a year of study and reflection on “Amoris Laetitia” already underway and a “synod on synodality” planned for next year, it is clear that Pope Francis does not see the work of “Amoris Laetitia” as complete."
A new stress on the primacy of an individual’s conscience in making decisions continues an emphasis of “Dignitatis Humanae,” the “Declaration on Religious Freedom” promulgated at Vatican II. That document affirmed the notion of the “primacy of conscience” (present in Catholic teaching since St. Thomas Aquinas), saying: “In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God,…"
More ink follows Amoris taking VCII's Dignitatus humanae toward its teaching.
Francis and Amoris simply follow VCII.
Conclusion: Those not on board Francis' train are legalists, backwardists, pharisees, or worse, and they ought not be allowed to worship in a Catholic Church.
Conclusion: You shall be as Gods,
Lucifer
Thank you, Meiron!
Well said. Just a small portion of a long list of heavy errors from this Pope that have hurting continue to hurt so many of us. If not for the Body of Christ I would have taken refuge from this Pope with the Orthodox.
10 years of hell.
Have you never heard of Michael Matt Mr Altieri. He does a pretty good job putting PF on s proper perspective.
And it is mystifying that CWR would print your little piece of wallpaper.
The WE’s find us in a very, very sad state of affairs.With this Pope and his posse.
A decade of undoing the “reform of the reform.” Thank God, a Pope who now takes back Vatican II reforms on the right track.
These past ten years Pope Francis turned the Catholic world around and made a lot of conservative Catholics “cafeteria Catholics,” giving them doses of their own medicine that they used to throw and tag at progressive Catholics during the papacies of John Paul II and Benedict XVI.
Actually, it’s the Pope who seems to be the “cafeteria” Catholic, not those who have remained steady in adhering to the Church’s teachings – for them, he exhibits a great deal of contempt and scorn.
Go ahead and use the “cafeteria Catholics” slur. You’re happy with this pope because he is CHANGING Catholic teaching. For those of us who cannot keep up with the ever-caving-in to the culture will remain faithful, whatever slurs or giddiness we hear from those who want to re-make the Catholic Church into a cheerleader for progressive fads and fanaticism. Just remember, Mr. Miller, those on the outside of the Church who are cheering you on want nothing less than its utter annihilation, and they won’t spare you either. Trust me. When the time comes, either you will become one of them, or they will destroy you. I pray you choose to remain faithful, no matter the cost.
The Catholic Faith is in REGRESSION under this Pope as he seeks to suppress the Traditional Latin Mass and the thriving communities that attend it. For his part, he completely understands that the agenda of modernism, globalist communism in the current age depends FIRST and FOREMOST on negating the presence of a tradition that condemns him with every new “progressive” agenda item he seeks to promote. The gospel reading today is rather telling, taken from Luke 11:14-28, of particular interest is the passage indicating that “He who is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not WITH Me scattereth” (emphasis mine). What has the modern, post V2 church succeeded most in doing? Scattering God’s sheep. An estimated 31,000,000 Catholics have abandoned the faith since the modernists started tinkering with it to “accommodate” the men of the current age. The Post V2 church is in clear auto-destruct mode. I, for my part, want as much insulation from it as I can while remaining under the outermost edges of the umbrella it resembles. We have yet to see what kinds of further damage the synod will do to the Novus Ordo Church; but, rest assured, so long as he is comfortably assuming that whatever further suppression of the Latin Mass he can impose will be dutifully carried out by his ordinate “appointees” and “lemmings” under the guise of acting in the name of St. Peter (Peter is rolling in his grave), he has little if anything to worry about. Jesus, please rescue your church from the men of this dark and depraved age.
The 31,000,000 scattered sheep I reference above is attrition ONLY in the United States since V2. We all know what the changes to the church since V2 have done to Europe and Western Civilization in general: DECIMATED it.
For me, the most remarkable character of the papacy of Pope Francis is probably his teaching and action being centered on mercy and attentiveness to the wounds of the people. His papacy has signaled that the Church is not judgmental but instead welcoming and inclusive of all through dialogue and synodality (=walking together!). But this papal focus on mercy and non-judgmentalism has made a lot of the haughty and proud to be filled with self-righteous indignation that displays the so-called “elder son syndrome” told in the parable of the prodigal father.
When has the Church not been “welcoming and inclusive?” Aren’t all of us poor sinners equally welcome at the confessional to unburden ourselves of our sins? Hasn’t that always been the case?
The definition of insanity is believing you can exist without making judgments. Thankfully Catholicism, in contrast to invincible silliness, recognizes that judging intrinsically evil behavior for what it is and what is necessary for an authentic mercy for both the victims of sin as well as the welfare of the sinner called to repentance exactly as Jesus demanded of us and demanded that we do for others. You have it backwards. The story of the prodigal son includes the haughtyness of those who mock the necessity of turning away from sin. It’s not as though Francis hasn’t been consistently condemning and merciless towards those who are subjects of his contempt.
As universal pastor, he is (as the subtitle of a book about his pastoral style says) “Pope Francis: A Voice for Mercy, Justice, Love, and Care for the Earth.” His pastoral style has made multitudes worldwide see and come to love a pope that is truly smelling “with the smell of the sheep,” leading them closer to Christ and His Church. The same pastoral smell however has generated a loud minority mostly here in the U.S. who simply have emerged as “enemies” of Pope Francis and are so filled with “4Ds:” disrespect, disloyalty, derision, and disdain for him. In this spirit – highlighting his “enemies” – let me share here a prayer for the Pope on his tenth anniversary (culled from official paraliturgical prayers for the Pope): “O God, Shepherd and Ruler of all the faithful, look down in your mercy upon your servant, Francis, whom you have appointed to preside over your Church. Preserve him, give him a long life, make him blessed upon the earth, and not hand him over to the power of his ENEMIES. Grant, we pray, that by word and example, he may edify all those under his charge so that, with the flock entrusted to him, he may arrive at length unto life everlasting. Amen.”
Yawn. Well, now that you mention it, I became a Catholic 26 years ago because the Church hated Mercy, Justice, Love, and Care for the Earth. And then along came Francis.
#SarcasmAlert
Have you considered discontent might occur towards Francis for his practicing those 4Ds towards those who practice the 4Hs; humility, honorability, honesty, and holiness?
Christopher R. Altieri in this article seems to be saying that covering the news of the Church is the equivlant of covering the news of the NFL or MLB.
Pope Francis is loved and revered in the developing world. People from different cultures, spiritualities, and socio-economic backgrounds admire Francis for his genuine concern for the weak, the sick, the poor, the marginalized, and thee exploited.
Sounding like yet another one-eyed cyclops lacking depth perception…where the perennial Church itself is now unwittingly made “the weak, the sick, the poor, the marginalized, and then exploited.”
The separability of mercy and truth?
Adding, here, to Meiron (above, March 12, 4:32 p.m.) who reports: “A new stress on the primacy of an individual’s conscience in making decisions…”The primacy of conscience in “making decisions”[!]—an exploiting contradiction to the actual remarks developed by St. John Paul II (cited by “Animal Farm” theologians, for supposed support).
Instead, the difference between so-called “decisions” and moral “judgments”:
“A separation [!], or even an opposition [!], is thus established in some cases between the teaching of the precept, which is valid and general, and the norm of the individual conscience, which would in fact make the final DECISION [no longer a ‘MORAL JUDGEMENT’!] about what is good and what is evil. On this basis, an attempt is made to legitimize so-called ‘pastoral’ solutions [!] contrary to the teaching of the Magisterium, and to justify a ‘creative’ hermeneutic according to which the moral conscience is in no way obliged, in every case, by a particular negative precept [thou shalt not!]” (Veritatis Splendor,1993, n. 56).