Convert from Islam reflects on Pope Francis’ historic visit to Iraq

Joseph Fadelle, who was born in Iraq, was imprisoned, tortured and almost killed for his faith in Christ after his conversion to the Catholic Faith.

Children are seen near an image of Pope Francis during the pope's visit with the community at the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Qaraqosh, Iraq, March 7, 2021. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

The Islamic State (also known as ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh) achieved its greatest victory in 2014 when its fanatic militants seized control of Mosul, Iraq’s second largest city. The group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, ascended the minbar, or pulpit, of the historic Mosque of al-Nuri and declared the formation of a new caliphate. The Islamic State’s black standard was raised atop the mosque’s famous 150-foot-tall leaning minaret with the vow that it would never be lowered.

Joseph Fadelle, seen here in a 2014 photo, is the author of “The Price to Pay: A Muslim Risks All to Follow Christ”. (Image: Peter Potrowl/Wikipedia)

After al-Baghdadi’s declaration, a steady stream of jihadists began flowing into the Islamic State’s territories, which eventually grew to half the size of Syria and a third of Iraq. Untold misery was inflicted upon countless innocent Iraqis. The shocking displays of violence included genocide, ethnic cleansing, slavery, mass rapes, forced marriages, and the use of child soldiers. Public punishments were carried out in the form of beheadings, crucifixions, mutilations, and stoning.

When al-Baghdadi triumphantly announced the start of his caliphate in Mosul, he spurred his followers on with the promise that their sights were ultimately set upon subjugating Christian civilization: “You will conquer Rome,” he assured them.

Less than a decade later, on March 7th, the Bishop of Rome himself arrived in Mosul. The city was left completely in ruins after a nine-month-long battle to expel the Islamic State in July 2017. Against the backdrop of the hallowed-out shells of four churches at Hosh al-Bieaa (Church Square), Pope Francis said: “Our gathering here today shows that terrorism and death never have the last word. Even amid the ravages of terrorism and war, we can see, with the eyes of faith, the triumph of life over death.” In remarks that contrasted directly with those delivered by al-Baghdadi just a few years ago, the Pope continued: “we reaffirm our conviction that fraternity is more durable than fratricide, that hope is more powerful than hatred, that peace is more powerful than war.”

As bishop of Rome, the Mater et Caput of the Church that the Islamic State swore to conquer, Pope Francis came as the Vicar of the Prince of Peace, to help bind the wounds of the poorest and most deprived member’s of his flock and to promote the cause of harmony. The number of Christians in Iraq has plummeted over the last two decades from 1.4 million to about 250,000, which is less than 1% of the country’s population. Most have fled the country after the rise of the Islamic State, while those who remained faced having their property stolen and having to choose between converting to Islam, paying a tax, or even death. With the defeat of the Islamic State, the slow process of rebuilding has begun.

A man deeply familiar with the plight of Iraqi Christians is Joseph Fadelle, the author of The Price to Pay: A Muslim Risks All to Follow Christ. That inspiring memoir details the story of Fadelle’s conversion, which highlights the plight of Christians living in lands dominated by radical Islam. Born into an affluent Shiite family in Iraq, Fadelle risked everything—family, friends, home, and even his life—in order to follow Christ in becoming Catholic. He was imprisoned, tortured, and even shot and left for dead by his own family members for denying the Qur’an and choosing Christianity. A fatwa was issued against him, forcing him to leave his homeland into exile.

Fadelle now resides in France, where he followed the Holy Father’s visit to his homeland with close attention and interest. He recently corresponded with CWR about his impressions of Pope Francis’ historic visit to Iraq (his remarks have been edited for clarity and length).

CWR: What was your initial reaction to the news of the Holy Father’s visit to your homeland when it was announced in December?

Joseph Fadelle: My first reaction to the announcement of the Holy Father’s visit to Iraq was both a great joy and a real fear. Joy and hope for my country Iraq ravaged by war, divisions, persecution, destruction, barbarism. I knew this trip is of great importance to Iraq; a journey full of promise and hope for Iraq.

And fear of seeing this announced trip could be canceled at any time; until the last minute, I feared the cancellation of the trip. I was aware of the very risky context and climate of the region from all points of view, including security and health.

There is not a day that goes by that violence does not manifest itself in Iraq. I thank the Lord for the courage of the Pope to carry out this visit to Iraq, braving all the risks and obstacles. I give thanks for this historic and blessed visit, which went wonderfully well.

I followed him in the smallest details; I wanted to be present in Iraq to participate and welcome the Pope in my native country. My desire was great, but I knew that my presence would have been dangerous and a source of worry and trouble for Christians and for Muslims. I accompanied the different moments of this visit from afar …

CWR: Pope Francis has referred to Iraq as a “martyred land.” His visit to the Syro-Catholic Cathedral of Our Lady of Salvation in Baghdad, which was the site of a 2010 terrorist attack that killed a total of 58, was symbolic of this. What encouragement does his visit give to the beleaguered Christian faithful of Iraq?

Joseph Fadelle: The Pope’s visit is beneficial for the whole of Iraq; he announced that he was visiting Iraq, the whole country, and not only the Christians of Iraq. The whole country mobilized to welcome him; representatives of all the communities came to meet him, the administration was deployed at all levels to organize a nice and dignified welcome. The state of Iraq welcomed the Pope. Through this welcome, Christians felt a consideration for them and for the universal Church. They are rehabilitated in the eyes of their Muslim fellow citizens.

The Pope is the only head of state who has come to visit the Iraqi people, meeting and bringing together all religious leaders of all faiths, all religions. …

This visit is a gesture of friendship and affection towards all Iraqis. By this unanimous welcome, the communities have drawn closer to each other, putting aside the divisions and the tears.

Of course there have been a few negative reviews here and there on the internet, but these reviews are anecdotal and marginal. The country’s media were all very laudatory for this visit, reporting carefully and faithfully the various meetings. …

CWR: Pope Francis held an inter-religious prayer service at the ancient Mesopotamian site of Ur, which is revered as the birthplace of Abraham, the “Father of Faith” in the One God. What is the significance of this distant ancestor to the Iraqi Christian? As a biblical land, do Christians have a natural and moral right to live in Iraq?

Joseph Fadelle: I would like to remind you that the Christians of Iraq are the original people of this land; they have been present since Abraham … The Christians of this country are not foreigners from other countries, unlike the Muslims who came in part from the Arabian Peninsula. I would like to recall that the majority of Iraqi Muslims were originally Christians; they were Islamized by force and the threat of paying the Jizya. Ur is a biblical land. Abraham is a great biblical figure, the father of the Jewish people. This biblical figure is claimed by Muslims. This is why Abraham is a figure who brings people together. The Pope, who wants to bring together and sow peace, chose this symbolic place.

CWR: Pope Francis met with the preeminent religious figure for Iraqi Shiites, the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, in the city of Najaf. In addition to providing encouragement and seeking the protection of his persecuted flock, Pope Francis is clearly also seeking to forge closer bonds between the Church and the Muslim world. Do you have much hope for this effort?

Joseph Fadelle: This meeting of the Pope with Ali al Sistani is of great importance—of great historical significance and a milestone in history,

Beyond the disagreement I have with Al Sistani concerning Islam, I have great consideration for this man who is a man of peace, who by his speeches and his statements has always called for peace, for agreement. Thanks to him, a lot of life was spared. It seems surprising when you see the number of deaths continuously. By his words he had the power to stir up hatred and violence; he always chose the path of appeasement, he always invited to stop fighting, he always encouraged dialogue.

This meeting takes place in the city of Najaf, the cradle of Shiite Islam, the city where Ali is buried, nearby is Al Kouffa, the city where Ali settled and installed his authority and government. It is a high place of pilgrimage for the Shiites. It is in this city of Najaf and in the same district where this meeting takes place, that a fatwa was pronounced by the predecessor of Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, named Mohamed Sadek Al Sadr, ordering to kill me. Christians do not have the right to enter this city and this district because they are impious and impure according to Islam. This is the same city visited by the head of the Church; this district of the high Shiite authority in the world, which opens its doors to welcome the representative of Christ—what joy for me and what hope. It is in the order of a miracle, it is an unprecedented meeting, a meeting of great spiritual significance. I hope this meeting will bear fruit.

CWR: Pope Francis made more highly symbolic visits to Mosul as well as to the predominantly Christian city of Qaraqosh, both overrun by the jihadists of the Islamic State. Is there hope that “the darker the night the greater will be the sun’s splendor?” As Mosul, Qaraqosh and so much of Iraq rebuilds from the last decades of war, will the displaced Christians return to their homes and be able to live there in peace?

Joseph Fadelle: The displaced Christians who remained in Iraq will return to their villages of Mosul and Quarqoch, but they know very well that they will always be threatened by the Qur’an. These Christians master Arabic, in addition to their mother tongue, Chaldean. They know Islam, the Qur’an, the hadiths, and all that they contain … calling to kill the infidels, ungodly, and unclean that are the Christians. They know that the application of the text of the Quran remains a great constant threat. They know they will never be really quiet and at peace while Islam and the Qur’an exist.

The problem is not with Muslims but with the Qur’an. After Bin Laden, we had Al Baghdadi; others came before, others will follow. Names and faces change, but the violence intrinsic to Islam and dictated by the Qur’an is the same.

The Iraqi Christians who have already left the country, who have taken refuge in other countries of the West, will unfortunately not come back. They have been established elsewhere for years now. These Iraqi Christians integrate quickly and participate loyally in the life of their host country, which quickly becomes their adopted country. I can clearly see in Europe the Christians of the East integrating and assimilating to the host countries, and feel a belonging to these countries. But the Muslims remain, generations later, claimants, not considering themselves citizens of those [host] countries …

Islam is clearly an obstacle to integration, whereas Christianity is a catalyst for successful and speedy integration. Muslims remain foreigners at heart, seeking to take advantage of the country that welcomes them by repeating to their children and grandchildren that these countries of the West are countries of disbelievers, that the land of the West is a land of impiety and of impurity.

CWR: You provided a source of tremendous inspiration in detailing your conversion in The Price to Pay. You were, indeed, willing to pay the full price to become a Christian. Many of your Iraqi Christian brethren have proved the same over these past two decades of war. What inspiration ought the rest of the world take from their example?

Joseph Fadelle: The words of Christ are addressed to every baptized person, to me since I met him and chose to follow him, to Christians in Iraq, to ​​Christians everywhere:

“…and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.” (Mt 10:22)

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation, and put you to death; and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake.” (Mt 24:9)

“But before all this they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors for my name’s sake.” (Lk 21:12)

… Persecution takes different forms. Are Christians really free today in the West? Can a Christian freely express and live his faith in the environments in which he evolves, in his work, in the media, in the public sphere without being worried about losing his job, of being put aside, to be caricatured, humiliated?

“Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and revile you, and cast out your name as evil, on account of the Son of man!” (Lk 6:22)

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also.” (Jn 15:18-20)

Nothing is more important, nothing is more precious than Christ. Nothing will be able to separate us from him. Christ redeemed us with his blood, he gave his life for us; we are precious to him. Yes, the world is astonished to see Christians for centuries enduring persecution without renouncing their faith. They know that the greatest treasure is Christ who loves us without measure. So nothing is dearer than Christ, nothing deserves our attachment and our love outside of Christ; he is our Life, in him is our hope.

The Christians of Iraq, strengthened by the visit of the Holy Father, can be the light for their Muslim neighbors; they can be the salt of the earth (Mt 5:13-15).

I invite the Muslims of Iraq, to ​​reflect on Islam, on the Qur’an, to seek the truth and to rediscover their Christian roots, which existed long before to Islam.

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About Father Seán Connolly 70 Articles
Father Seán Connolly is a priest of the Archdiocese of New York. Ordained in 2015, he has an undergraduate degree in the Classics from the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Massachusetts as well as a Bachelor of Sacred Theology, Master of Divinity and a Master of Arts in Theology from Saint Joseph's Seminary in Yonkers, New York. In addition to his parochial duties, he writes for The Catholic World Report, The National Catholic Register and The Wanderer.


  1. May the Triune King reign Kindly, in His Priestly People fully Kenotic making disciples of every nation and all peoples…

  2. “Abraham is a great biblical figure, the father of the Jewish people. This biblical figure is claimed by Muslims. This is why Abraham is a figure who brings people together”

    Shaizid a Muslim posted on this site (See the link) some time ago and interesting dialogues took place between posters and are worth reading again in connection to the above quotation. My post/s below taken from the link

    Thank you Shaizad your comment “I invite you to firstly find common ground with us” I do not have a comprehensive understanding of your religion, but it is fair to say that you relate your beliefs to the God of the Old Testament (Our Father). I have seen virtues in many Muslims, possibly emanating from Psalms which relate to the Beatitudes (The Beatitudes are eight blessings recounted by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount.) Which is a manifestation of the desire to love God/Truth within your own given situation, and only God knows where that may lead to.

    I live within ten miles of a large Muslim community and have encountered Muslims throughout my life, as an example I will describe two encounters with two Muslim men over the last seven years, one in his mid to late twenties the other in his mid-thirties.

    One of them was in the employment of an English boss who asked/ ‘Told’ him surreptitiously to do something dishonest, as he gave me my purchase and change, he blushed and turned his eyes away from me, and finally bowed his head.

    “May God help him!

    On another occasion I was discussing with a Muslim his ethics and our Christian ones, it became apparent that one of the topics related to him personally, as through genuine gesture and demeanor he acknowledged in humility his own sin and went quite pale.

    What we are seeing in these two given situations are lively consciences, which is a manifestation of the love of God/Truth. I have seen this same love of God/Truth in many other Muslims also, but not all, as culture and sin also play a part in individual behavior.

    As a Christian I do not see myself as being superior before God in relation to these young men, rather I would ask for them, that which I asked for myself, that is God’s infinite mercy and love while reflecting on these words.

    “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you”

    For us Christians to diminish the genuine brotherhood (Unit of Purpose) that is often manifest before mankind in Muslim communities, is to bury one’s head in the sand so to say. Rather we should work to confront a Godless Western Culture and the evils committed by the elite within our own Church. From Abuse Coverups to the public Breaking of the Second Commandment, which relates to the present Divine Mercy Image. Evils that would certainly not be tolerated by Muslims in their faith, and then perhaps we would see some of them accepting the authenticity of the Risen Christ.

    Shaizid our common ground “God made me to know Him’ so do not all sincere seekers of Truth, work to the greater glory of God? As God looks at the heart.

    Please consider continuing via the link.
    Sincerely Kevin

    Response by Shaizad: Hi Kevin,
    Thanks for your kind words (and helping me with the posting too!). I’ve posted separately to everyone, but, to you specifically, I agree with a lot of what you have stated. That’s really great, and it feels like a very constructive interaction too.
    Thanks again,

    My final response
    You’re welcome Shaizad. From the Beatitudes
    “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God”.


  3. The desire for peace and holiness as desired by The Father Himself for His children , in families and generations being blessed to be set free by accepting the means given us in The Precious Blood – hope there would be many world over who would persevere in invoking same , seeing how sinful choices open lives to all sorts of generational evils .
    The halting steps of the Holy Father , with the intention to see the Reign of the Divine Will and its peace and holiness all through – may same bear rich fruit as mighty winds in the Power of The Word , purifying hearts , whether close at home or far out and may the Queen of Divine Will whose pleadings helped to bring forth the Incarnation make same possible at the earliest !

  4. Joseph Fadelle’s heartfelt to the point responses in this interview are very helpful to the understanding of Christian life and history in this land of Abraham. Thank you CWR for providing this interview.

    Note: I have never seen such a succinct comparison of Islam and Christianity before— Very enlightening.

    “Islam is clearly an obstacle to integration, whereas Christianity is a catalyst for successful and speedy integration. Muslims remain foreigners at heart, seeking to take advantage of the country that welcomes them by repeating to their children and grandchildren that these countries of the West are countries of disbelievers, that the land of the West is a land of impiety and of impurity.”

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