Pope Francis meets President Joe Biden on Oct. 29, 2021. / Vatican Media/CNA
Denver Newsroom, Jul 12, 2022 / 13:00 pm (CNA).
Pope Francis has described it as an “incoherence” that President Joe Biden, a Catholic, is in favor of legal abortion.
During an interview with Univisión and Televisa broadcast July 12, Pope Francis spoke about abortion and Biden’s position, after being asked about whether to admit politicians who promote legal abortion to Holy Communion.
The Holy Father affirmed that there is scientific data that show that “a month after conception, the DNA of the fetus is already there and the organs are aligned. There is human life.”
“Is it just to eliminate a human life?” he then asked.
As for the defense of abortion by the U.S. president, Pope Francis stated that he leaves it to Biden’s “conscience.”
“Let (Biden) talk to his pastor about that incoherence,” the pope said.
Though a Catholic, Biden has repeatedly supported abortion rights despite the Church’s teaching that human life must be respected and protected from the moment of conception.
Last week Biden signed an executive order aimed at protecting abortion access in response to the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion throughout the U.S.
The president called it “a moment to restore the rights that have been taken away from us, and the moment to protect our nation from an extremist agenda that is antithetical to everything we believe as Americans.”
In September 2021, Biden said he did not “agree” that life begins at conception.
“I have been and continue to be a strong supporter of Roe v. Wade,” he said at the White House, answering a reporter’s question on abortion. “I respect them — those who believe life begins at the moment of conception and all — I respect that. Don’t agree, but I respect that,” he said.
Cardinal Wilton Gregory of Washington commented shortly afterward that “The Catholic Church teaches, and has taught, that life — human life — begins at conception. So, the president is not demonstrating Catholic teaching.”
Gregory told a journalist in November 2020 that he would not deny Communion to a politician who supported the codification of legal abortion in federal law and the taxpayer funding of abortion. Biden supports both policies.
In June 2021, the parish council of the president’s Washington, D.C. parish, Holy Trinity, stated its agreement with Gregory “concerning the issues surrounding offering the Eucharist to American politicians.”
“Holy Trinity Catholic Church will not deny the Eucharist to persons presenting themselves to receive it,” the statement said.
“As a parish which has a long history of welcoming all, we concur with and support the pastoral approach of our Archbishop.”
This story was first published by ACI Prensa, CNA’s Spanish-language news partner. It has been translated and adapted by CNA.
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Members of the Sts’ailes First Nation at Holy Rosary Cathedral last year for the first Mass to integrate a First Nation language. A Cardus report presents the voices of Indigenous Canadians speaking about their faith and distinguishing it from the traditional spirituality they’re often associated with. / Photo courtesy Nicholas Elbers, 2022
Vancouver, Canada, May 17, 2023 / 14:15 pm (CNA).
A groundbreaking report published by the Ottawa-based Cardus Institute has given voice to Indigenous Canadians who are frustrated by secular society’s unawareness of — or unwillingness to accept — the fact that almost half of them are Christian.
“I find that insulting to Indigenous people’s intelligence and freedom,” Catholic priest Father Cristino Bouvette said of the prejudice he regularly encounters.
Bouvette, who has mixed Cree-Métis and Italian heritage and now serves as vicar for vocations and Young Adults in the Diocese of Calgary, was one of 12 individuals interviewed by Cardus for the report “Indigenous Voices of Faith.”
Father Deacon Andrew Bennett, left, leads a post-production discussion by Indigenous Voices of Faith participants. Photo courtesy of Cardus
Prejudice against Indigenous Christians has become so strong, even inside some Indigenous communities, “that Indigenous Christians in this country right now are living in the time of new martyrdom,” Bouvette said.
Although that martyrdom may not cost them their lives, “they are ostracized and humiliated sometimes within their own communities if they openly express their Christian or Catholic faith.”
Statistics Canada reported last year that the 2021 census found that 850,000, or 47%, of Canada’s 1.8-million Indigenous people identify as Christian and that more than a quarter of the total report they are Catholic. Only 73,000, or 4%, of Indigenous people said they adhere to traditional Indigenous spiritual beliefs.
In a new report, Cardus wants to “amplify the voices of Indigenous Canadians speaking for themselves about their religious commitments, which sometimes clash with the typical public presentation of Indigenous spirituality.” Photo courtesy of Cardus
Ukrainian Catholic Deacon Andrew Bennett, program director for Cardus Faith Communities, conducted the interviews for the think tank last fall. He published his report in March at a time when Canadian mainstream media and many political leaders continued to stir division and prejudice through misleading commentary about abandoned cemeteries at Indian Residential Schools.
The purpose of the report, he writes, “is to affirm and to shed light on the religious freedom of Indigenous peoples to hold the beliefs and engage in the practices that they choose and to contextualize their faith within their own cultures.”
Too often, however, “the public narrative implies, or boldly declares, that there’s a fundamental incompatibility between Indigenous Canadians and Christianity or other faiths,” Bennett said. “[M]any Indigenous Canadians strongly disagree with those narratives.”
Father Bouvette is clearly one of those.
“We did not have Christian faith imposed upon us because of [my Indigenous grandmother’s] time in the residential school or her father’s time in the trade school that he was sent to,” Bouvette said. “No, it was because our family freely chose to receive the saving message of Jesus Christ and lived it and had continued to pass it down.”
Bouvette said his “grandmother was not tricked into becoming something that she didn’t want to be, and then tricked into staying that way for 99 years and 11 months of her life. She was a Christian from the day of her birth, and she remained a Christian until the day of her death. And so that was not by the consequence of some imposition.”
Nevertheless, Canadians continue to labor under a prejudice holding the opposite view. “I do believe that probably the majority of Canadians at this time, out of some mistaken notion of guilt for whatever their cultural or ethnic background is, think they are somehow responsible for Indigenous people having had something thrust upon them that they didn’t want,” Bouvette said.
“We did not have Christian faith imposed upon us,” Father Cristino Bouvette says in a Cardus report on Indigenous faith. Photo courtesy of Cardus
“But I would say, give us a little more credit than that and assume that if there is an Indigenous person who continues to persevere in the Christian faith it is because they want to, because they understand why they have chosen to in the first place, and they remain committed to it. We should be respectful of that.”
The executive director of the Catholic Civil Rights League, Christian Elia, agrees and says society should grant Indigenous Catholics the respect and personal agency that is due all Canadians.
“Firstly, I am not an Indigenous person, so I cannot speak for our Indigenous brothers and sisters, but neither can non-Indigenous secularists who choose to ignore that Indigenous people in Canada continue to self-identify as Christian, the majority of these Catholic,” Elia said in an interview with The B.C. Catholic.
He said his organization has heard from many Indigenous Catholics who are “growing weary of the ongoing assumption that somehow they have been coerced into the faith, that it is inconceivable that they wish to be Catholic. This condescending attitude must stop.”
Deacon Rennie Nahanee, who serves at St. Paul’s Indian Church in North Vancouver, was another of the 12 whom Bennett interviewed. A cradle Catholic and member of the Squamish First Nation, Deacon Nahanee said there is nothing incompatible with being both an authentic Indigenous person and a Catholic.
“I’m pretty sure we had a belief in the Creator even before the missionaries came to British Columbia,” he said. “And our feelings, our thoughts about creation, the way that we lived and carried out our everyday lives, and the way that we helped to preserve the land and the animals that we used for food, our spirituality and our culture, were similar to the spirituality of the Catholic Church.”
“I believe that’s why our people accepted it. I don’t think anybody can separate themselves from God, even though they say so.”
Interviewed later by The B.C. Catholic, Nahanee said he is not bothered by the sort of prejudice outlined by Bouvette. “People are going to say or do what they want,” he said.
Voices of Indigenous Christianity
Bennett, program director of Cardus Faith Communities, interviewed 12 Indigenous Canadians, most of them Christian, about their religious commitments, “which often clash with the typical public presentation of Indigenous spirituality.” Here is a selection of some of their comments:
Tal James of the Penelakut First Nation in Nanaimo spoke about the relationship between Indigenous culture and his Christian faith:
Tal James and wife Christina. Photo courtesy of Project 620 – James Ministry
“I think … that our [Indigenous] cultures were complete, and in Jesus they’re more complete. I think that’s a big thing and a big step for a lot of us. You’re going to have a lot of non-Indigenous people look at you and question your actions based on your Aboriginal heritage. Don’t take that to heart. They’re the ignorant ones who don’t want you to flourish. Those of you who are Christians, First Nations Christians, you come to the table with the same gifting that non-Aboriginal people have. For them to say, ‘We want to make room for you at the table,’ correct them. You are already at the table, and encourage them to step back and allow your gifts to flourish. Because it’s one in the same spirit.”
Rose-Alma McDonald, a Mohawk from Akwesasne, which borders New York, Ontario, and Quebec, talked about re-embracing her Catholic faith:
Rose-Alma McDonald. Photo courtesy of Cardus
“I surprised everybody, including myself, in terms of embracing Catholicism after 20 years away. So I’ve had a few epiphanies in the sense that this is why my mother made me do so much in the church growing up. When I’m working, volunteering, and doing stuff in the church, I remember that. I keep remembering I’m Catholic and I’m still Catholic. I will stay Catholic because of the way I was raised.”
Jeff Decontie, a Mohawk from the Algonquin First Nations who lives in Ottawa, talked about being a person of faith in a secular world:
Jeff Decontie. Photo courtesy of Cardus
“Secular worldviews can sort of eat up everything around them and accept a whole wide range of beliefs at the same time. For example, you have the prevailing scientific thinking alongside New Age believers, and people in society just accept this, saying, ‘Oh, whatever it is you believe in, all religions lead to the same thing.’ No one questions it. How can these contradictions coexist? … Then we ask an [Indigenous] elder to lead prayer? Any other religion would be a no-no, but you can ask for an elder who’s going to pray a generic prayer to some generic Creator, and it’s not going to ruffle any feathers. I think that’s the danger of secular thought creeping into Canada: It goes unnoticed, it’s perceived as neutral, but at the same time it’s welcoming a whole wide range of beliefs. And it doesn’t just influence Indigenous thought. It’s influencing Christianity.”
Rosella Kinoshameg, a member of the Wikwemikong Reserve on Manitoulin Island in Ontario, spoke about being Indigenous and Catholic:
Rosella Kinoshameg. Photo courtesy of the Catholic Register
“Well, I can’t change being Indigenous. That’s something that is me. I can’t change that. But to believe in the things that I was taught, the traditional things, the way of life and the meanings of these things, and then in a church, well, those things help one another and they make me feel stronger.”
This article was originally published May 10, 2023, in The B.C. Catholic, a weekly publication serving the Catholic community in British Columbia, Canada, and is reprinted here on CNA with permission.
The pilgrim image of Maria de Itatí and the multitude of pilgrims in front of the basilica at the Shrine of the Virgin of Itatí in the Archdiocese of Corrientes, Argentina, on Saturday, Sept. 17, 2022. / Photo credit: Itateñas News
Show once again how to uncritically and blindly cheerlead this Pope who will not condemn the world’s most powerful leader in his maniacal push on abortion.
Francis’s ‘hitman’ analogy means nothing when the President of the United States ably plays that role.
Ramjet, do you recall these words: “I have not come to condemn but to save.”
Pope Francis, who is more pro-life than most Catholics, gave this very Jesus-like response: “Let (Biden) talk to his pastor about that incoherence.” That is how it should be.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, ss the scriptures teach. And woe to those who repeatedly defend the indefensible under the pretense of being loving. A shipwreck is a shipwreck Mal, whether you recognize it or not.
Do you recognize this, Athanasius? “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
The key words are “evil,” and “falsely,” and “for my sake.” The issue is why evil rather than truth, and falsely rather than not falsely, and especially for my sake rather than for the sake of worldly ideology?
In the same way, we are admonished to not only love one another, but to love one another “as I have loved you” (Luke). This raises the stakes and elevates the call above humanism (its lookalike). Or, again, when Matthew speaks not simplistically of the poor, but of the “poor in spirit” which is not so limited to an economic demographic or subject to ideological manipulation.
Maybe Athanasius and others are not so uninformed and ripe for being reviled as some suppose, Mal.
Didn’t the Pope just two weeks ago invite wild-eyed abortion apologist and advocate Nancy Pelosi into the Vatican to partake of the Eucharist? Joe Biden is absolutely incoherent on every issue, not just abortion. But Pope Francis based on his kid-glove treatment of Nancy Pelosi and now his criticism of Joe Biden has established his own incoherence for all to see. Does he not remember his words from one day to the next or have any sense of their impact on his flock and the world?
Where did you read that? If you did, it would have to be one of those anti-Pope Francis sites that have yet to publish even one pro-Francis article.
Pelosi was treated as an American government official. She was not invited to receive communion.
And regarding “incoherence,” then what about the Church’s related internal detail of “Eucharistic coherence”?
And “Conscience”? And pastoral chats: ““Let (Biden) talk to his pastor about that incoherence?”
“A separation, or even an opposition, is thus established in some cases between the teaching of the precept, which is valid and general, and the norm of the individual conscience, which would in fact make the final decision [no longer a moral judgment] about what is good and what is evil. On this basis, an attempt is made to legitimize so-called ‘pastoral’ solutions contrary to the teaching of the Magisterium, and to justify a ‘creative’ hermeneutic according to which the moral conscience is in no way obliged, in every case, by a particular negative precept [thou shalt not]” (Veritatis Splendor, n. 56).
And, again:
“The relationship between faith and morality shines forth with all its brilliance in the unconditional respect due to the insistent demands of the personal dignity of every man, demands protected by those moral norms which prohibit without exception [!] actions which are intrinsically evil” (n. 90).
“The Church is no way the author or the arbiter [!] of this [‘moral’] norm” (n. 95).
Thank God we have the Washington DC “parish council” to sort all this stuff out! Such is our synodal Magisterium and the flattened governance of the Church. Another fig leaf for another invertebrate and “incoherent” cardinal.
“As for the defense of abortion by the U.S. president, Pope Francis stated that he leaves it to Biden’s conscience”. If there’s incoherence in Pres Biden’s abortion policy and his Catholicism, Biden finds that faux justification in Amoris Laetitia and the incoherence of Francis’ presumption of conscience as the rule of morality rather than the natural law within [written in man’s heart by God], and Christ’s revelation, which are the rule, whereas conscience, to act with knowledge, assumes knowledge by which it is the measure of moral good or evil not the rule.
It is “incoheence” that Pope Francis, a Catholic, in in favor of abortion promoting policies of the United Nations and quite willingly invites the most notorious abortion advocates on the face of the earth to lecture the Church on what they regard as sensible population planning.
Didn’t the Pope just two weeks ago invite wild-eyed abortion apologist and advocate Nancy Pelosi into the Vatican to partake of the Eucharist? Joe Biden is absolutely incoherent on every issue, not just abortion. But Pope Francis based on his kid-glove treatment of Nancy Pelosi and now his criticism of Joe Biden has established his own incoherence for all to see. Does he not remember his words from one day to the next or any sense of their impact on his flock and the world?
So we’ve done away with sin and replaced it with “incoherence.”
And, we no longer need to see our confessor regarding our giving material support to the killing of babies. Instead, we should have a “dialogue” with the bishop and have him accompany us (?to hell, perhaps?) Sounds like a lot of New Age, Progressive clap trap to me. Straight out of the 1960’s playbook. Kumbaya, y’all.
Come on, ‘Mal’.
Show once again how to uncritically and blindly cheerlead this Pope who will not condemn the world’s most powerful leader in his maniacal push on abortion.
Francis’s ‘hitman’ analogy means nothing when the President of the United States ably plays that role.
Ramjet, do you recall these words: “I have not come to condemn but to save.”
Pope Francis, who is more pro-life than most Catholics, gave this very Jesus-like response: “Let (Biden) talk to his pastor about that incoherence.” That is how it should be.
Ah. Well, we know that Cardinal Gregory and Joe Biden are both eager to talk this out. I feel better already.
You will feel even better, Carl, if you pray for them instead of just dismissing this appropriate advice.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, ss the scriptures teach. And woe to those who repeatedly defend the indefensible under the pretense of being loving. A shipwreck is a shipwreck Mal, whether you recognize it or not.
Do you recognize this, Athanasius? “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
The key words are “evil,” and “falsely,” and “for my sake.” The issue is why evil rather than truth, and falsely rather than not falsely, and especially for my sake rather than for the sake of worldly ideology?
In the same way, we are admonished to not only love one another, but to love one another “as I have loved you” (Luke). This raises the stakes and elevates the call above humanism (its lookalike). Or, again, when Matthew speaks not simplistically of the poor, but of the “poor in spirit” which is not so limited to an economic demographic or subject to ideological manipulation.
Maybe Athanasius and others are not so uninformed and ripe for being reviled as some suppose, Mal.
Didn’t the Pope just two weeks ago invite wild-eyed abortion apologist and advocate Nancy Pelosi into the Vatican to partake of the Eucharist? Joe Biden is absolutely incoherent on every issue, not just abortion. But Pope Francis based on his kid-glove treatment of Nancy Pelosi and now his criticism of Joe Biden has established his own incoherence for all to see. Does he not remember his words from one day to the next or have any sense of their impact on his flock and the world?
Where did you read that? If you did, it would have to be one of those anti-Pope Francis sites that have yet to publish even one pro-Francis article.
Pelosi was treated as an American government official. She was not invited to receive communion.
And regarding “incoherence,” then what about the Church’s related internal detail of “Eucharistic coherence”?
And “Conscience”? And pastoral chats: ““Let (Biden) talk to his pastor about that incoherence?”
“A separation, or even an opposition, is thus established in some cases between the teaching of the precept, which is valid and general, and the norm of the individual conscience, which would in fact make the final decision [no longer a moral judgment] about what is good and what is evil. On this basis, an attempt is made to legitimize so-called ‘pastoral’ solutions contrary to the teaching of the Magisterium, and to justify a ‘creative’ hermeneutic according to which the moral conscience is in no way obliged, in every case, by a particular negative precept [thou shalt not]” (Veritatis Splendor, n. 56).
And, again:
“The relationship between faith and morality shines forth with all its brilliance in the unconditional respect due to the insistent demands of the personal dignity of every man, demands protected by those moral norms which prohibit without exception [!] actions which are intrinsically evil” (n. 90).
“The Church is no way the author or the arbiter [!] of this [‘moral’] norm” (n. 95).
Thank God we have the Washington DC “parish council” to sort all this stuff out! Such is our synodal Magisterium and the flattened governance of the Church. Another fig leaf for another invertebrate and “incoherent” cardinal.
“As for the defense of abortion by the U.S. president, Pope Francis stated that he leaves it to Biden’s conscience”. If there’s incoherence in Pres Biden’s abortion policy and his Catholicism, Biden finds that faux justification in Amoris Laetitia and the incoherence of Francis’ presumption of conscience as the rule of morality rather than the natural law within [written in man’s heart by God], and Christ’s revelation, which are the rule, whereas conscience, to act with knowledge, assumes knowledge by which it is the measure of moral good or evil not the rule.
It is “incoheence” that Pope Francis, a Catholic, in in favor of abortion promoting policies of the United Nations and quite willingly invites the most notorious abortion advocates on the face of the earth to lecture the Church on what they regard as sensible population planning.
From womb to tomb, life is sacred and a precious gift. Long live life.
Didn’t the Pope just two weeks ago invite wild-eyed abortion apologist and advocate Nancy Pelosi into the Vatican to partake of the Eucharist? Joe Biden is absolutely incoherent on every issue, not just abortion. But Pope Francis based on his kid-glove treatment of Nancy Pelosi and now his criticism of Joe Biden has established his own incoherence for all to see. Does he not remember his words from one day to the next or any sense of their impact on his flock and the world?
So we’ve done away with sin and replaced it with “incoherence.”
And, we no longer need to see our confessor regarding our giving material support to the killing of babies. Instead, we should have a “dialogue” with the bishop and have him accompany us (?to hell, perhaps?) Sounds like a lot of New Age, Progressive clap trap to me. Straight out of the 1960’s playbook. Kumbaya, y’all.