The Vatican has issued a letter asking Catholic bishops to invite local Orthodox and Protestant leaders to participate in the diocesan stage of the two-year process leading to the 2023 Synod on Synodality.
Cardinal Mario Grech, the general secretary of the Synod of Bishops, and Cardinal Kurt Koch, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, wrote a letter together asking Catholic dioceses to embrace the “ecumenical dimension” of the synodal process.
“The dialogue between Christians of different confessions, united by one baptism, has a special place in the synodal journey,” said the letter published by the Vatican on Jan. 17.
“Indeed, both synodality and ecumenism are processes of ‘walking together.’”
Offering “some practical suggestions to ensure the ecumenical dimension of the synodal journey,” the cardinals encouraged bishops to reach out to leaders of other Christian communities in their area.
“After identifying the main Christian communities present in the area, [the bishop] should prepare and send a letter to their leaders (or better visit them personally for this purpose),” it said.
The bishops should then invite local Christian leaders to send delegates to pre-synodal diocesan meetings and submit written reflections on the questionnaire included in the preparatory documents.
National bishops’ conferences are likewise asked to invite representatives from other Christian communities and national councils of churches to participate in the synodal process.
The Synod on Synodality is a global, two-year consultative process of “listening and dialogue” that began in October 2021. The first stage is a diocesan phase expected to last until Aug. 15.
The Vatican has asked all dioceses to participate, hold consultations, and collect feedback on specific questions laid out in synod documents. At the end of the current process, a synod of bishops is scheduled to take place in Rome in October 2023 to produce a final document to advise the pope.
The letter, signed on Oct. 28, was shared in a Vatican press release on Jan. 17 ahead of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, which takes place on Jan. 18-25.
“The synodal shaping of the Catholic Church at all levels has significant ecumenical implications as it makes it a more credible dialogue partner,” it said.
“Finally, the synodal process itself is an opportunity to further foster ecumenical relationships at all levels of the Church, since the participation of ecumenical delegates has become the customary practice, not only in the Synod of Bishops, but also in diocesan synods.”
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Thousands of pro-life advocates gathered outside the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C., on Dec. 1, 2021, in conjunction with oral arguments in the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization abortion case. / Katie Yoder/CNA
Washington D.C., Dec 2, 2021 / 08:04 am (CNA).
Anna Del Duca and daughter, Frances, woke up at 5 a.m. Wednesday morning to brave the 30-degree weather outside the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C. They arrived hours before oral arguments began in the highly-anticipated abortion case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization.
The case, which involves a Mississippi law restricting most abortions after 15 weeks, challenges two landmark decisions: Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling that legalized abortion nationwide, and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which upheld Roe in 1992.
“We’re looking forward to the end of Roe versus Wade in our country,” Anna, who drove from Pittsburgh Tuesday night, told CNA. In her hands, she held a sign reading, “I regret my abortion.”
“I would like to use my testimony to be a blessing to others,” she said, so that “others will choose life or those who have regretted abortion or had an abortion would turn to Jesus.”
Anna remembered having an abortion when she was just 19. Today, she and her daughter run a group called Restorers of Streets to Dwell In Pittsburgh that offers help to women seeking healing after abortion.
Anna and Frances were among thousands of Americans who rallied outside the Supreme Court before, during, and after the oral arguments. To accommodate them, law enforcement closed the street in front of the court. Capitol police also placed fencing in the space in front of the building in an attempt to physically separate rallies held by abortion supporters and pro-lifers.
At 21-weeks pregnant, pro-life speaker Alison Centofante emceed the pro-life rally, called, “Empower Women Promote Life.” The event featured a slew of pro-life women of diverse backgrounds and numerous politicians.
“It’s funny, there were so many diverse speakers today that the only unifying thread was that we want to protect preborn children,” Centofante told CNA. They included Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Catholics, agnostics, atheists, women who chose life, and women who regretted their abortions, she said.
She recognized women there, including Aimee Murphy, as people who are not the typical “cookie cutter pro-lifer.”
Aimee Murphy, 32, founder of pro-life group Rehumanize International, arrived at the Supreme Court around 6:30 a.m. She drove from Pittsburgh the night before. Her sign read, “Queer Latina feminist rape survivor against abortion.”“At Rehumanize International, we oppose all forms of aggressive violence,” she told CNA. “Even as a secular and non-partisan organization, we understand that abortion is the most urgent cause that we must stand against in our modern day and age because it takes on average over 800,000 lives a year.”
She also had a personal reason for attending.
“When I was 16 years old, I was raped and my rapist then threatened to kill me if I didn’t have an abortion,” she revealed.
“It was when he threatened me that I felt finally a solidarity with unborn children and I understood then that, yeah, the science told me that a life begins at conception, but that I couldn’t be like my abusive ex and pass on the violence and oppression of abortion to another human being — that all that I would be doing in having an abortion would be telling my child, ‘You are an inconvenience to me and to my future, therefore I’m going to kill you,’ which is exactly the same thing that my rapist was telling me when he threatened to kill me.”
On the other side of the police fence, the Center for Reproductive Rights and the National Abortion Access Coalition and NARAL Pro-Choice America participated in another rally. Yellow balloons printed with the words “BANS OFF OUR BODIES” escaped into the sky. Several pro-choice demonstrators declined to speak with CNA.
Voices clashed in the air as people, the majority of whom were women, spoke into their respective microphones at both rallies. Abortion supporters stressed bodily autonomy, while pro-lifers recognized the humanity of the unborn child. Chants arose from both sides at different points, from “Whose choice? My choice!” to “Hey hey, ho ho, Roe v. Wade has got to go!”
At 10 a.m., the pro-life crowd sudddenly went silent as the oral arguments began and the rally paused temporarily as live audio played through speakers.
During the oral arguments, students from Liberty University knelt in prayer. One student estimated that more than a thousand students from the school made the more than 3-hour trip from Lynchburg, Virginia.
“Talking about our faith is one thing, but actually acting upon it is another,” he said. “We have to be the hands and feet of Jesus Christ. So to me this is part of doing that.”
Sister Mary Karen, who has been with the Sisters of Life for 21 years, also stressed the importance of prayer. She drove from New York earlier that morning because, she said, she felt drawn to attend. She came, she said, to pray for the country and promote the dignity of a human person.
“Our culture is post-abortive,” she explained. “So many people have suffered and the loss of human life is so detrimental, just not knowing that we have value and are precious and sacred.”
She stood next to Theresa Bonopartis, who traveled from Harrison, New York, and ministers to women and others wounded by abortion.
“I’ve been fighting abortion for 30 years at least,” she told CNA.
Her ministry, called Entering Canaan, began with the Sisters of Life and is observing its 25th anniversary this year. It provides retreats for women, men, and even siblings of aborted babies.
Abortion is personal for Bonopartis, who said she had a coerced abortion when she was just 17.
“I was kicked out of the house by my father and then coerced into getting an abortion,” she said. “Pretty much cut me off from everything, and that’s something people don’t really talk about … they make it try to seem like it’s a woman’s right, it’s a free choice. It’s all this other stuff, but many women are coerced in one way or another.”
She guessed that she was 14 or 15 weeks pregnant at the time.
“I saw my son. I had a saline abortion, so I saw him, which I always considered a blessing because it never allowed me to deny what abortion was,” she said. Afterward, she said she struggled with self-esteem issues, hating herself, guilt, shame, and more. Then, she found healing.
“I know what that pain is like, I know what that experience is like, and you know that you can get past it,” she said. “You just want to be able to give that message to other people, that they’re able to heal.”
Residents of Mississippi, where the Dobbs v. Jackson case originated, also attended.
Marion, who declined to provide her last name, drove from Mississippi to stand outside the Supreme Court. She said she was in her early 20s when Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973.
“At the time, of course, I could care less,” she said. Since then, she had a change of heart.
“We were the generation that allowed it,” she said, “and so we are the generation who will help close that door and reverse it.”
The crowd at the pro-life rally included all ages, from those who had witnessed Roe to bundled-up babies, children running around, and college students holding up homemade signs.
One group of young friends traveled across the country to stand outside the Supreme Court. They cited their faith and family as reasons for attending.
Mathilde Steenepoorte, 19, from Green Bay, Wisconsin, identified herself as “very pro-life” in large part because of her younger brother with Down syndrome. She said she was saddened by the abortion rates of unborn babies dianosed with Down syndrome.
Juanito Estevez, from Freeport, a village on Long Island, New York, arrived Tuesday. He woke up at 6 a.m. to arrive at the Supreme Court with a crucifix in hand.
“I believe that God is the giver of life and we don’t have the right [to decide] whether a baby should live or die,” he said.
He also said that he believed women have been lied to about abortion.
“We say it’s their right, and there’s a choice,” he said. When girls tell him “I have the right,” his response, he said, is to ask back, “You have the right for what?”
Mallory Finch, from Charlotte, North Carolina, also woke up early but emphasized “it was worth it.” A pro-life podcast host, she called abortion a “human-rights issue.”
“I hope that it overturns Roe,” she said of the case, “but that doesn’t mean that our job as pro-lifers is done. It makes this, really, just the beginning.”
Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez. / Daniel Ibanez/CNA
ACI Prensa Staff, Dec 27, 2023 / 17:00 pm (CNA).
The prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF), Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, commenting on the reluctance expressed … […]
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With all due respect, if I cared for the protestant opinion, I would be protestant. The self inflicted damage that the Church is going through is due to a greater concern for feelings then doctrine. A greater concern for opinion then sacrament.
God gave us one Church, all other are fallen away. Once we embrace that Truth then others will follow and desire Catholicism.
Exactly!!! I converted from protestant and have never regretted it, but now this all so sad the sad lonely road the church seems bent on going down when mass attendees have been dropping like flies!!!! The answer is not to be like everyone else trying to blend in with the culture and the times of the day!!!! The Church is to be what Jesus called it to be 2,000 years ago, not embraced homosexuality, transgenderism and now people outside the faith!!! Wow!!
If I gave a flying rip what Protestants think I would never have converted and go through the shunning from my family!!!
The Catholic Church is the Catholic Church and is to suppose to strive to be what is suppose to be and has been for 2000 years!!!!
I trust the 2000 year old Church over a 500 year breakaway!!!!
“Indeed, both synodality and ecumenism are processes of ‘walking together.’”
This “language” is exhausting. It seems to me that they are trying to end Catholicism by making it Protestant. Is anybody at the Vatican Catholic? Is anybody at the Vatican praying to Our Lord, Jesus? If so, we would like to hear your voices, loud and clear.
Heidi, you will be glad to know that the Vatican has many Catholics -priests, nuns, bishops, workers and, of course, our Pope. And our Pope is a very strong believer in the power and beauty of prayer.
“Each time we join our hands and open our hearts to God, we find ourselves in the company of anonymous saints and recognized saints who pray with us and who intercede for us as older brothers and sisters who have preceded us on this same human adventure.”
“Pope Francis tells us to make prayer a daily habit. He says, “Every day God passes and sows a seed in the soil of our lives” (22). If we are not in the habit of regular prayer, we will miss that seed.” Read more here: https://www.osvnews.com/amp/2021/05/28/lessons-on-prayer-from-pope-francis/
First, from an alleged pyramidal Church to a proposed inverted pyramid, this sleight of hand rather than real collegiality as the relationship between the college of bishops and the papacy (Lumen Gentium, Chapter 3, and the Prefatory Note)–better described not as a pyramid at all but as an ellipse with two centers. Then, flippantly, from the false pyramid to an equally false inverted pyramid resembling little more than a block party.
Second, how is anyone to tell the difference between the “universal call to holiness” as allegedly identical to the sensus fidei, and fluid synodality as spreading out into a flat-earth plebiscite?
Please read “within 2 years”. That is the video declaration from Poland’s Vigano: Holy Archbishop Lenga. I say Goly, because he has not spent the last 9 years as a fugitive from Argentina.
Is this so we can learn that women priests are nice and cordial so that we will accept them? Is this so we can learn that the woman priest marries homosexuals and that the weddings are delightful? Therefore so shall we? As for the transgender pastors of other denomination, they are also acceptable and work hard so we must also now accept them too.
And I thought that the synod process was to hear the voice of the lowly ones in the Church–not the voice of those outside the church. Clever the ways of those who want great changes in the church.
“Oh, the pathos of it! – haggard, drawn into fixed lines of unutterable sadness, with a look of loneliness, as of a soul whose depth of sorrow and bitterness no human sympathy could ever reach. The impression I carried away was that I had seen, not so much the President of the United States, as the saddest man in the world” (George Saunders, Lincoln in the Bardo).
At moments like this I can translate Saunders Lincoln as Christ peering down at the shambles made of his Church.
This is sheer lunacy. The main line Protestant communions are dead and they are the only ones who would participate in this idiocy. Does some kook in the Vatican think that an evangelical church (all of which have underlying disgust with Catholicism and it’s dogmas is willing to participate? We’re not on the same planet. Goof balls
A mode of ecclesial suicide. What interest does any convicted Protestant have in authentic Roman Catholicism? Be honest. If such concern was present they would be in the process of conversion.
This is simply sinful.
it occurs to me that we should be looking inward – at our own awareness as a faith community, of the faith we profess. Our whole experience in this regard has been tarnished in recent years the reference to which need not be added here. It’s difficult for me to see how an exchange with protestant religious leaders is going to help us or for that matter, the church itself and its mission. When I see young people passed the first communion and confirmation stage offer a glazed look about basic principles of our faith I feel handing them a Baltimore Catechism would be a proper act, that’s my concern – we don’t know who we are! I pray the Holy Spirit is indeed with us in this synodal effort but Im not so sure He
is yet on board if we inject such outside influence as criteria for conducting the synod…..perhaps someone else might express this concern better than I.
If by dialogue we invite the protestants to climb higher on the ladder of the totality of faith, sure, but if by dialogue the result is Catholics climbing down the ladder to the the point where there are no longer differences…no.
Every opinion expressed by these CATHOLICS resound with the truth truth truth that has been denied by the CATHOLIC hierarchy for more then 50 years, We are Roman Catholics not protestant. OUR ANCESTORS WERE MARTYRED TO KEEP US CATHOLIC! let the protestants return to the true faith. AMEN!
Interfaith/intercommunion dialogue on matters pertaining to natural law from an Aristotelian (i.e., reason-based) perspective — the area of the Church’s social teaching — is laudatory and even at times essential. Discussions of doctrine and internal administrative affairs of the Church with other faiths and sects is pointless and harmful in the extreme as it can lead to confusing the natural and the supernatural orders, the essence of modernism.
Yes, such “interfaith/intercommunion dialogue” does occur. We laity know it by better by banter, making nice, being friendly, helping neighbors, becoming friends while musing at the water cooler, shopping at the grocery store, or celebrating the Fourth at the suburban block party.
At the Synod of all Synods? Modernist. Stupid. Deadly.
It would be great if for once our Catholic leaders would clearly state their intentions regarding this “synodal way”. Frankly, it appears and from the Pope’s own mouth and that of his leadership, to be a way to change the Catholic Church and its teachings, principles and tradition. None of them are clearly stating their objective, rather,they “leave the objective open ended” so that anything goes as far as results. All one has to do is look at the German synodal process where those who do not want today’s Catholic Church to survive but change it to meet secular societal “wokeisms”. Remember Pope Benedicts prediction, it is coming true and will forever change the one, Holy and Catholic Church through the “synodal path”.
Pope Benedict XVI had already started us down this path. He knew what Vatican 2 was all about. There is an incident reported by Luke (4:25-27). “Indeed, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah when the sky was closed for three and a half years and a severe famine spread over the entire land. It was to none of these that Elijah was sent, but only to a widow in Zarephathp in the land of Sidon. Again, there were many lepers in Israel during the time of Elisha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.” When the people in the synagogue heard this, they were all filled with fury. They rose up, drove him out of the town, and led him to the brow of the hill on which their town had been built, to hurl him down headlong. But he passed through the midst of them and went away.”
This is an exciting time for us. Let us ask the Holy Spirit to enrich us during this journey. In my diocese, every week in every Church prayers are said for it success.
Here is a good article on this subject. https://www.laciviltacattolica.com/what-is-the-synodal-journey-the-thought-of-pope-francis/
Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI supported the Reform of the Reform. Pope Francis is taking us backward to degenerate 1970s Jesuit formation but imposing it upon the rest of the Church. It’s your ultramontanism that keeps you from seeing that. We’ve gone from Ita Missa Est to Let’s Go Make a Mess.
In May 2021, the majority of priests in the Germany Synodal Way voted to abolish the priesthood. If that wasn’t worthy of the Most Pathetic Asininity Award, what else should we call it?
An open-ended Synod (Mother) of all Synods, searching for amorphous meaning among the world’s peripheral trash-heaps could bring about a large-scale ‘suicide of the Catholic collective soul.’ Self-directed, self-administered. Who are we to judge whether this outcome has not been set (?unwittingly?) from the get-go?
The Catholic Church – its foundation and its Head – needs no reform. Jesus’ perfect salvific way involved penitential, sacrificial service to His Father first and neighbor next. Rejecting His Way as it was, is, and always will be, has always led to man’s regret and sorrow. We surely must pray for fools and unwise Church leaders led by diabolic illusion.
This is a great idea! If we cannot water down the faith by ourselves, we can ask for assistance from the Protestants who have almost 500 years of experience in eliminating tenets of the faith and forming their own “churches.”
If the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church and its Orthodox Church want to join in a Synodal Way, then they should do so with the objective to improve catechisis for all in simple terms. Not in the terms they use when they speak,for the words they and theologians use on regular basis are”empty” to 95% of Catholics. Our catachesis is poor and has been for years,their pronouncements about everything from abortion to vaccines to marriage to LGBQT+ to sin to virtually everying that is the basis of Jesus Christ Church is tearing our church apart. Now we are to “invite” non-Catholic’s into the “synodal path”, for what purpose to tell us why it is wrong to pray the Rosary, why we fail to read the Bible as they do?, so that we can “change” to be more ecumenical? Sadly, we have enough Cardinals and Bishops already undertaking that task by suspending and removing priests from their parishes. Now we are to “move together in the synodal path” with our brethren in other religions (or non-religions) who “supposedly worship the same God”. Seriously, wonder why the Catholic faithful are confused, fail to return to the sacraments and Holy Mass,wonder why so manyleave….it is not about not being Synodal, meaning giving “Power to the laity”, rather it is because our Catholic leaders have failed to lead us in the Spirit of Christ.
David writes: “Our catachesis is poor and has been for years, their pronouncements about everything from abortion to vaccines to marriage to LGBQT+ to sin to virtually everything that is the basis of Jesus Christ Church is tearing our church apart.”
“…tearing our Church apart?” Not at all! Instead, ambiguous/duplicitous catechesis, with mutually contradictory synods (?), would render the Bride of Christ an up-to-date, time-share condo! Ecclesial open marriage! Or, old-time polygamy! A half-way house to the cosmopolitan model offered by very sectarian Islam–which fancies itself still united, as a “[very] congregational theocracy.”
A congregational catholicism (lower case), rather than the Eucharistic Church?
Mention should also have been made of the need to involve commissars from the CCP. That was probably considered so obvious that there was no need to state it. The main thing, though, is to exclude those nasty Traditionalists, who all have cooties.
The church hierarchy has done enough damage trying to make the church modern and relevant and appealing to non-catholics. The church was at the height of it’s influence on the public and it’s OWN adherents during the 1940’s and 50’s. Ask yourself what has changed? And has it been a change for the better, with non-attendance at Mass soaring, revenues falling and too many Priests accused of sexual misconduct, a terrible sin and a cause of many a diocese going bankrupt.” Anything goes” does not work and it is not true church teaching. Now we want to know what Protestants think about us and our operation of the church? I dont think so. Have the ugly and non-inspirational stripped down churches attracted more believers? NO. I have Protestant family and friends and I love them dearly. But I have no interest in how they view our church beliefs. I already know what they think. In general, one need only go online to see the nasty and accusatory statements made by some “Christians” against the Catholic church ( and Mary) . The fact that most of their accusations are in error has nothing to do with the dislike behind it. Too many Catholic Priests want to pretend they are Protestants, for reasons of their own.Let’s not encourage the trend.
Succeed in what? Water down the faith? Give a platform for the heterodox to publicly promote their errors? In that, it would be better for this trainwreck Synod to fail miserably and be forgotten as the waste of time and resources it is.
Succeed in its mission to keep the living Church moving, growing, responding to the times and sill nourishing itself with the fruits provided by the Hoily Spirit. Is this not what living things do – as against non-living things?
Those must be the fruits provided by the “protagonist” spirit. Wonder if they are seedless———–
As a sign of the times, a dangerous choice of words: “the fruits provided by the Holy Spirit.”
Believe me, Mal, I had faith in plenty Parish Council mini synods with small group discussions. As G Raff in post above states –“What a Crock!” 25 years later things have only deteriorated. When the BASICS are relegated to the basement and environmentalists, Luther, liturgical dancers, latent population controllers and immodestly dressed people are let lose in the sanctuary, it takes a lot of faith to hang on.
Just a question—-how many of the pastors still pray the Liturgy of the Hours?
This proposed Synod is slated to bring the rotten fruit that the infamous RENEW
program brought. Glad I ignored that one!
Effectively, the Holy Roman Catholic Church has ceased to proselytize. The other reformation ecclesial communities have not. The Church is now fair game for protestant and neo protestant «poachers», as their exponential growth in Latin America and East Asia attests. The post Vat2 decline in Europe set that ecumenical juggernaut on its course.
Orthodoxy is also also troubled by the phenomenon albeit in the Moscow Patriarchate the attitude is markedly less indulgent than in the once extensive domains of the onetime Patriarch of the West.
A united world religion? Like global empire the dream of many troubled soul.
This synodallying or synodal-lying or synodal Eing or syno-dallying around really is a puzzle.
-What can we discover that we weren’t instructed to do by Our Lord?
-What can we turn up, new, that isn’t already laid down in the Deposit of Faith, in Tradition, in the Holy Mysteries, in scripture?
-What can we learn, that is so momentous by holding synods around the world, with small group discussions following such an icy format?
-Is taking time away from being faithful to our own vocations justified, just so that we can bat around ideas that have already been instilled in our hearts as is written in Veritatis Splendor, as is expounded by our Blessed Lord in the Sermon on the Mount, as is given to the children at Fatima (prayer, sacrifice, penance) etc.
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Is this entire synod dallying thing a year of practiced distraction from carrying out our own calling, which is sacrificial if lived faithfully?
It seems reasonable that embracing our own vocation fervently, practicing the theological virtues sincerely, is the most powerful, fruitful means by which we can be the salt of the earth, the light of evangelization.
Being called to the ordained ministry, consecrated life, single dedication or the married state each have unique hallmarks, graces for building the Body of Christ.
Do we not, in fulfilling our calling, faithfully, working together, work out our own salvation and aid in the salvation of others?
-What actually do we gain for The Kingdom if we distract ourselves from our calling?
-Doesn’t living our vocation faithfully, produce the greatest fruit for the salvation of souls?
-Isn’t the living out of our own vocation faithfully the greatest example that we can give to our immediate surroundings and the world at large?
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1 Corinthians
Chapter 2
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When I came to you, brothers, proclaiming the mystery of God,* I did not come with sublimity of words or of wisdom.a
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For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.b
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I came to you in weakness* and fear and much trembling,
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and my message and my proclamation were not with persuasive (words of) wisdom,* but with a demonstration of spirit and power,c
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so that your faith might rest not on human wisdom but on the power of God.d
A couple weeks ago, at the Prayers of the Faithful Intercessions we were invited to pray for the “peace” of which Luther dreamed. Howdya like dem apples for a lead-in to the parish synodal discussions?
With all due respect, if I cared for the protestant opinion, I would be protestant. The self inflicted damage that the Church is going through is due to a greater concern for feelings then doctrine. A greater concern for opinion then sacrament.
God gave us one Church, all other are fallen away. Once we embrace that Truth then others will follow and desire Catholicism.
Exactly!!! I converted from protestant and have never regretted it, but now this all so sad the sad lonely road the church seems bent on going down when mass attendees have been dropping like flies!!!! The answer is not to be like everyone else trying to blend in with the culture and the times of the day!!!! The Church is to be what Jesus called it to be 2,000 years ago, not embraced homosexuality, transgenderism and now people outside the faith!!! Wow!!
If I gave a flying rip what Protestants think I would never have converted and go through the shunning from my family!!!
The Catholic Church is the Catholic Church and is to suppose to strive to be what is suppose to be and has been for 2000 years!!!!
I trust the 2000 year old Church over a 500 year breakaway!!!!
“Indeed, both synodality and ecumenism are processes of ‘walking together.’”
This “language” is exhausting. It seems to me that they are trying to end Catholicism by making it Protestant. Is anybody at the Vatican Catholic? Is anybody at the Vatican praying to Our Lord, Jesus? If so, we would like to hear your voices, loud and clear.
Heidi, you will be glad to know that the Vatican has many Catholics -priests, nuns, bishops, workers and, of course, our Pope. And our Pope is a very strong believer in the power and beauty of prayer.
“Each time we join our hands and open our hearts to God, we find ourselves in the company of anonymous saints and recognized saints who pray with us and who intercede for us as older brothers and sisters who have preceded us on this same human adventure.”
“Pope Francis tells us to make prayer a daily habit. He says, “Every day God passes and sows a seed in the soil of our lives” (22). If we are not in the habit of regular prayer, we will miss that seed.” Read more here: https://www.osvnews.com/amp/2021/05/28/lessons-on-prayer-from-pope-francis/
A simple observation and a simpler question…
First, from an alleged pyramidal Church to a proposed inverted pyramid, this sleight of hand rather than real collegiality as the relationship between the college of bishops and the papacy (Lumen Gentium, Chapter 3, and the Prefatory Note)–better described not as a pyramid at all but as an ellipse with two centers. Then, flippantly, from the false pyramid to an equally false inverted pyramid resembling little more than a block party.
Second, how is anyone to tell the difference between the “universal call to holiness” as allegedly identical to the sensus fidei, and fluid synodality as spreading out into a flat-earth plebiscite?
Hopefully, spreading out taking the Holy Spirit of God with it. This is what many good Catholics all over the world are praying for.
I did say elsewhere that it was heavily in his favor that Pope Francis would eventually get something right. This is not one.
Don’t, uh…., hold your breath, Father.
Please read “within 2 years”. That is the video declaration from Poland’s Vigano: Holy Archbishop Lenga. I say Goly, because he has not spent the last 9 years as a fugitive from Argentina.
Is this so we can learn that women priests are nice and cordial so that we will accept them? Is this so we can learn that the woman priest marries homosexuals and that the weddings are delightful? Therefore so shall we? As for the transgender pastors of other denomination, they are also acceptable and work hard so we must also now accept them too.
And I thought that the synod process was to hear the voice of the lowly ones in the Church–not the voice of those outside the church. Clever the ways of those who want great changes in the church.
“Oh, the pathos of it! – haggard, drawn into fixed lines of unutterable sadness, with a look of loneliness, as of a soul whose depth of sorrow and bitterness no human sympathy could ever reach. The impression I carried away was that I had seen, not so much the President of the United States, as the saddest man in the world” (George Saunders, Lincoln in the Bardo).
At moments like this I can translate Saunders Lincoln as Christ peering down at the shambles made of his Church.
This is sheer lunacy. The main line Protestant communions are dead and they are the only ones who would participate in this idiocy. Does some kook in the Vatican think that an evangelical church (all of which have underlying disgust with Catholicism and it’s dogmas is willing to participate? We’re not on the same planet. Goof balls
Precisely.
Vatican III by another name.
I think I’d call it “Open Vatican” or “Agile Papacy”.
Dominus flevit… Further down the road to full acceptance of all things protestant..
A mode of ecclesial suicide. What interest does any convicted Protestant have in authentic Roman Catholicism? Be honest. If such concern was present they would be in the process of conversion.
This is simply sinful.
it occurs to me that we should be looking inward – at our own awareness as a faith community, of the faith we profess. Our whole experience in this regard has been tarnished in recent years the reference to which need not be added here. It’s difficult for me to see how an exchange with protestant religious leaders is going to help us or for that matter, the church itself and its mission. When I see young people passed the first communion and confirmation stage offer a glazed look about basic principles of our faith I feel handing them a Baltimore Catechism would be a proper act, that’s my concern – we don’t know who we are! I pray the Holy Spirit is indeed with us in this synodal effort but Im not so sure He
is yet on board if we inject such outside influence as criteria for conducting the synod…..perhaps someone else might express this concern better than I.
Well, from Bergoglio’s point of view, at least he can be sure that the Protestants in attendance will not be frequenters of the Latin Mass.
Or, as Forrest Gump’s Mama used to say, “Synod is as synod does.”
If by dialogue we invite the protestants to climb higher on the ladder of the totality of faith, sure, but if by dialogue the result is Catholics climbing down the ladder to the the point where there are no longer differences…no.
brineyman, your salt has flavor.
Bugnini lives.
True.
Erasing Catholic identity.
Every opinion expressed by these CATHOLICS resound with the truth truth truth that has been denied by the CATHOLIC hierarchy for more then 50 years, We are Roman Catholics not protestant. OUR ANCESTORS WERE MARTYRED TO KEEP US CATHOLIC! let the protestants return to the true faith. AMEN!
Interfaith/intercommunion dialogue on matters pertaining to natural law from an Aristotelian (i.e., reason-based) perspective — the area of the Church’s social teaching — is laudatory and even at times essential. Discussions of doctrine and internal administrative affairs of the Church with other faiths and sects is pointless and harmful in the extreme as it can lead to confusing the natural and the supernatural orders, the essence of modernism.
Yes, such “interfaith/intercommunion dialogue” does occur. We laity know it by better by banter, making nice, being friendly, helping neighbors, becoming friends while musing at the water cooler, shopping at the grocery store, or celebrating the Fourth at the suburban block party.
At the Synod of all Synods? Modernist. Stupid. Deadly.
When is the Requiem?
Pope Francis is not a big fan of Catholicism,
It would be great if for once our Catholic leaders would clearly state their intentions regarding this “synodal way”. Frankly, it appears and from the Pope’s own mouth and that of his leadership, to be a way to change the Catholic Church and its teachings, principles and tradition. None of them are clearly stating their objective, rather,they “leave the objective open ended” so that anything goes as far as results. All one has to do is look at the German synodal process where those who do not want today’s Catholic Church to survive but change it to meet secular societal “wokeisms”. Remember Pope Benedicts prediction, it is coming true and will forever change the one, Holy and Catholic Church through the “synodal path”.
Pope Benedict XVI had already started us down this path. He knew what Vatican 2 was all about. There is an incident reported by Luke (4:25-27). “Indeed, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah when the sky was closed for three and a half years and a severe famine spread over the entire land. It was to none of these that Elijah was sent, but only to a widow in Zarephathp in the land of Sidon. Again, there were many lepers in Israel during the time of Elisha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.” When the people in the synagogue heard this, they were all filled with fury. They rose up, drove him out of the town, and led him to the brow of the hill on which their town had been built, to hurl him down headlong. But he passed through the midst of them and went away.”
This is an exciting time for us. Let us ask the Holy Spirit to enrich us during this journey. In my diocese, every week in every Church prayers are said for it success.
Here is a good article on this subject. https://www.laciviltacattolica.com/what-is-the-synodal-journey-the-thought-of-pope-francis/
Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI supported the Reform of the Reform. Pope Francis is taking us backward to degenerate 1970s Jesuit formation but imposing it upon the rest of the Church. It’s your ultramontanism that keeps you from seeing that. We’ve gone from Ita Missa Est to Let’s Go Make a Mess.
In May 2021, the majority of priests in the Germany Synodal Way voted to abolish the priesthood. If that wasn’t worthy of the Most Pathetic Asininity Award, what else should we call it?
An open-ended Synod (Mother) of all Synods, searching for amorphous meaning among the world’s peripheral trash-heaps could bring about a large-scale ‘suicide of the Catholic collective soul.’ Self-directed, self-administered. Who are we to judge whether this outcome has not been set (?unwittingly?) from the get-go?
The Catholic Church – its foundation and its Head – needs no reform. Jesus’ perfect salvific way involved penitential, sacrificial service to His Father first and neighbor next. Rejecting His Way as it was, is, and always will be, has always led to man’s regret and sorrow. We surely must pray for fools and unwise Church leaders led by diabolic illusion.
This is a great idea! If we cannot water down the faith by ourselves, we can ask for assistance from the Protestants who have almost 500 years of experience in eliminating tenets of the faith and forming their own “churches.”
Exactly
If the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church and its Orthodox Church want to join in a Synodal Way, then they should do so with the objective to improve catechisis for all in simple terms. Not in the terms they use when they speak,for the words they and theologians use on regular basis are”empty” to 95% of Catholics. Our catachesis is poor and has been for years,their pronouncements about everything from abortion to vaccines to marriage to LGBQT+ to sin to virtually everying that is the basis of Jesus Christ Church is tearing our church apart. Now we are to “invite” non-Catholic’s into the “synodal path”, for what purpose to tell us why it is wrong to pray the Rosary, why we fail to read the Bible as they do?, so that we can “change” to be more ecumenical? Sadly, we have enough Cardinals and Bishops already undertaking that task by suspending and removing priests from their parishes. Now we are to “move together in the synodal path” with our brethren in other religions (or non-religions) who “supposedly worship the same God”. Seriously, wonder why the Catholic faithful are confused, fail to return to the sacraments and Holy Mass,wonder why so manyleave….it is not about not being Synodal, meaning giving “Power to the laity”, rather it is because our Catholic leaders have failed to lead us in the Spirit of Christ.
Amen. You’ve proven my above comment extraneous.
David writes: “Our catachesis is poor and has been for years, their pronouncements about everything from abortion to vaccines to marriage to LGBQT+ to sin to virtually everything that is the basis of Jesus Christ Church is tearing our church apart.”
“…tearing our Church apart?” Not at all! Instead, ambiguous/duplicitous catechesis, with mutually contradictory synods (?), would render the Bride of Christ an up-to-date, time-share condo! Ecclesial open marriage! Or, old-time polygamy! A half-way house to the cosmopolitan model offered by very sectarian Islam–which fancies itself still united, as a “[very] congregational theocracy.”
A congregational catholicism (lower case), rather than the Eucharistic Church?
Mention should also have been made of the need to involve commissars from the CCP. That was probably considered so obvious that there was no need to state it. The main thing, though, is to exclude those nasty Traditionalists, who all have cooties.
The church hierarchy has done enough damage trying to make the church modern and relevant and appealing to non-catholics. The church was at the height of it’s influence on the public and it’s OWN adherents during the 1940’s and 50’s. Ask yourself what has changed? And has it been a change for the better, with non-attendance at Mass soaring, revenues falling and too many Priests accused of sexual misconduct, a terrible sin and a cause of many a diocese going bankrupt.” Anything goes” does not work and it is not true church teaching. Now we want to know what Protestants think about us and our operation of the church? I dont think so. Have the ugly and non-inspirational stripped down churches attracted more believers? NO. I have Protestant family and friends and I love them dearly. But I have no interest in how they view our church beliefs. I already know what they think. In general, one need only go online to see the nasty and accusatory statements made by some “Christians” against the Catholic church ( and Mary) . The fact that most of their accusations are in error has nothing to do with the dislike behind it. Too many Catholic Priests want to pretend they are Protestants, for reasons of their own.Let’s not encourage the trend.
Just another way of turning the Catholic Church completely Protestant. Women priest’s. Soon we will have to go underground.
The Mother of All Synods! What a Crock!
Sounds like the Vatican is working towards a one world, very generic church. Will we recognize the Catholic Church when the synod is over?
Have faith, colene. Many more Catholics are praying for its success than those who would want it to fail.
Succeed in what? Water down the faith? Give a platform for the heterodox to publicly promote their errors? In that, it would be better for this trainwreck Synod to fail miserably and be forgotten as the waste of time and resources it is.
Succeed in its mission to keep the living Church moving, growing, responding to the times and sill nourishing itself with the fruits provided by the Hoily Spirit. Is this not what living things do – as against non-living things?
Those must be the fruits provided by the “protagonist” spirit. Wonder if they are seedless———–
As a sign of the times, a dangerous choice of words: “the fruits provided by the Holy Spirit.”
Believe me, Mal, I had faith in plenty Parish Council mini synods with small group discussions. As G Raff in post above states –“What a Crock!” 25 years later things have only deteriorated. When the BASICS are relegated to the basement and environmentalists, Luther, liturgical dancers, latent population controllers and immodestly dressed people are let lose in the sanctuary, it takes a lot of faith to hang on.
Just a question—-how many of the pastors still pray the Liturgy of the Hours?
This proposed Synod is slated to bring the rotten fruit that the infamous RENEW
program brought. Glad I ignored that one!
And the children make bracelets in CCD classes.
Let us water down Catholicism until there is nothing left but a memory, Homeopathic Catholic.
Post conciliar ecumenism is Luther’s curse.
Effectively, the Holy Roman Catholic Church has ceased to proselytize. The other reformation ecclesial communities have not. The Church is now fair game for protestant and neo protestant «poachers», as their exponential growth in Latin America and East Asia attests. The post Vat2 decline in Europe set that ecumenical juggernaut on its course.
Orthodoxy is also also troubled by the phenomenon albeit in the Moscow Patriarchate the attitude is markedly less indulgent than in the once extensive domains of the onetime Patriarch of the West.
A united world religion? Like global empire the dream of many troubled soul.
This synodallying or synodal-lying or synodal Eing or syno-dallying around really is a puzzle.
-What can we discover that we weren’t instructed to do by Our Lord?
-What can we turn up, new, that isn’t already laid down in the Deposit of Faith, in Tradition, in the Holy Mysteries, in scripture?
-What can we learn, that is so momentous by holding synods around the world, with small group discussions following such an icy format?
-Is taking time away from being faithful to our own vocations justified, just so that we can bat around ideas that have already been instilled in our hearts as is written in Veritatis Splendor, as is expounded by our Blessed Lord in the Sermon on the Mount, as is given to the children at Fatima (prayer, sacrifice, penance) etc.
OR
Is this entire synod dallying thing a year of practiced distraction from carrying out our own calling, which is sacrificial if lived faithfully?
It seems reasonable that embracing our own vocation fervently, practicing the theological virtues sincerely, is the most powerful, fruitful means by which we can be the salt of the earth, the light of evangelization.
Being called to the ordained ministry, consecrated life, single dedication or the married state each have unique hallmarks, graces for building the Body of Christ.
Do we not, in fulfilling our calling, faithfully, working together, work out our own salvation and aid in the salvation of others?
-What actually do we gain for The Kingdom if we distract ourselves from our calling?
-Doesn’t living our vocation faithfully, produce the greatest fruit for the salvation of souls?
-Isn’t the living out of our own vocation faithfully the greatest example that we can give to our immediate surroundings and the world at large?
USCCB
1 Corinthians
Chapter 2
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When I came to you, brothers, proclaiming the mystery of God,* I did not come with sublimity of words or of wisdom.a
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For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.b
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I came to you in weakness* and fear and much trembling,
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and my message and my proclamation were not with persuasive (words of) wisdom,* but with a demonstration of spirit and power,c
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so that your faith might rest not on human wisdom but on the power of God.d
Amen.
A couple weeks ago, at the Prayers of the Faithful Intercessions we were invited to pray for the “peace” of which Luther dreamed. Howdya like dem apples for a lead-in to the parish synodal discussions?