Vatican City, May 13, 2017 / 02:32 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The following is an unofficial transcript of the in-flight press conference on the papal plane returning from Fatima to Rome on May 13, 2017.
Greg Burke: Thank you Holiness, they were 24 very intense hours, as you said, for the Lord, 24 hours for Our Lady. It’s apparent that the Portuguese felt very touched when you said, “We have a Mother,” that they feel this in a special way. 100 years ago Our Lady didn’t appear to three important journalists, she appeared to three shepherds, but we’ve seen how they with their simplicity and sanctity were able to make this message reach the entire world. The journalists make the message arrive – it is seen from the number of nations from which they come – and they’re very curious about this trip of yours. If you’d like to say something first, great…
Pope Francis: First of all, good evening. Thanks. And, I’d like to respond to the first of the possible questions, so we can do things a bit more quickly. I’m sorry when we’re at the halfway point and they come to tell me that it’s snack time… let’s do them all together. Thanks.
Greg Burke: Good, let’s begin with the Portuguese group, with Fatima Ferreira of the Portuguese TV Radio
Anna Elza Ferreira (Redevida de Televisao): I don’t know what I think about sitting in front of the Holy Father. Well, first, many thanks for this trip. Holy Father, you came to Fatima as a pilgrim, to canonize Francisco and Jacinta in the year that the apparitions mark their 100th year. From this historical point of view, what is left now for the Church, for the entire world? Also, Fatima has a message of peace. Holy Father, you are going to receive in the Vatican in the coming days, the 24th of May, the American president Donald Trump. What can the world expect and what does the Holy Father expect from this encounter? Many thanks.
Pope Francis: Thanks. Fatima certainly has a message of peace. It’s brought to humanity by three great communicators that were less than 13 years old, which is interesting. Yes, I came as a pilgrim. The canonization was something that wasn’t planned from the beginning, because the process of the miracles was in progress but the all of a sudden the export reports were all positive, and it was done – that’s how the story was told – for me was a very great joy. What can the world expect? Peace. And what am I talking about from now on with whomever? Peace.
Ferreira: And what remains now of this historic moment for the Church?
Pope Francis: A message of peace. And I’d like to say one thing … before disembarking I received scientists from all religions who were doing studies in the Vatican Observatory at Castel Gandolfo, including agnostics and atheists. And an atheist said to me, “I’m an atheist.” I won’t tell you from what ethnicity or place of origin he was – he spoke in English. And at the end, he asked me, ‘I ask you a favor: tell the Christians that they should love their message of peace more.”
Aura Miguel (Radio Renascença): Your Holiness, in Fatima you presented yourself as the “bishop dressed in white.” Up to now, this expression applied rather to the vision of the third part of the secret, St. John Paul II, the martyrs of the twentieth century. What does it mean now, your identification with this expression?
Pope Francis: The prayer, that, I did not write it… the sanctuary wrote it… but also I have tried because they said this, and there is a connection with the white. The bishop of white, Our Lady of white, the white glow of the innocence of children after Baptism and innocence… there is a connection to the color white in that prayer. I believe – because I did not write it – but I believe that literally they have tried to express with white that desire for innocence, for peace… innocence: to not hurt the other … to not create conflict, the same.
Miguel: Is it a revision of the interpretation…
Pope Francis: No, but that vision … I believe that then Cardinal Ratzinger, at that time prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith, explained everything clearly. Thank you.
Claudio Lavanga (NBC News): Thank you. Holy Father, yesterday you asked the faithful to break down all the walls, yet on May 24 you meet a head of State who is threatening to build walls. It is a bit contradictory to your word, but he also has – it seems – opinions and decisions different from you in other topics, such as the need to act to confront global warming or the welcoming of migrants … Thus, in light of this meeting: what is your opinion of the politics that President Trump has adopted so far on these topics and what do you expect from a meeting with a Head of State who seems to think and act contrary to you?
Pope Francis: The first question … I can respond to both… I never make a judgment of a person without listening to them. I believe that I should not do this. In our talk things will come out, I will say what I think, he will say what he thinks, but I never, ever, wanted to make a judgment without hearing the person. The second…
Claudio Lavanga: What do you think about the reception of migrants?
Pope Francis: But this you all know well…
Claudio Lavanga: The second instead is what you expect from a meeting with a head of state who thinks contradictory to you?
Pope Francis: Always there are doors that are not closed. Look for the doors that are at least a little bit open, enter and talk about common things and go on. Step by step. Peace is handcrafted. It is made every day. Also friendship among people, mutual knowledge, esteem, is handcrafted. It’s made every day. Respect the other, say that which one thinks, but with respect, but walk together … someone thinks of one way or the other, but say that …. Be very sincere with what everyone thinks, no?
Claudio Lavanga: Do you hope to soften his decisions after the meeting?
Pope Francis: This is a political calculation that I do not permit myself to make.
Greg Burke: Thank you Holiness, now there is a change of places, Elisabetta Piqué is coming.
Elisabetta Piqué (La Nacion): Thanks first of all for this brief and very intense trip. We wanted to ask you, today is the centenary of the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima, but is is also the important anniversary of a fact of your life that took place 25 years ago, when the Nuncio (Archbishop) Calabresi told you that you would become the Auxiliary Bishop of Buenos Aires, something that meant the end of your exile in Cordoba and a great change in your life. Have you every connected this fact that changed your life with Our Lady of Fatima? And in these days that you’ve prayed before her have you thought about this and what did you think about? Can you tell us about that? Thanks.
Pope Francis: Women know everything, eh! No, I didn’t think about the coincidence, only yesterday while I was praying before Our Lady I realized that one May 13th I received the phone call from the nuncio 25 years ago. I don’t know… I said, well look at that. I spoke with Our Lady a little about this. I asked her forgiveness for all of my mistakes, also of a bit of bad taste for choosing people… but yesterday I realized this.
Greg Burke: Nicolas Seneze of La Croix is coming.
Nicolas Seneze (La Croix): Thanks, Holy Father. We’re returning from Fatima for which the Fraternity of St. Pius X has a great devotion and much is said about an agreement that would give an official statute to the Fraternity in the Church. Some even imagined that there would be an announcement today… Holiness, do you think that this agreement is possible in a short timeframe? And, what are the obstacles still? And what is the sense of this reconciliation for you? And, will it be the triumphant return for faithful who have shown what it means to be truly Catholic or what?
Pope Francis: I would toss out any form of triumphalism. None. Some days ago, the Feria Quarta of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, their meeting – the call it the Feria Quarta, because it’s the fourth Wednesday – studied a document and the document still hasn’t reached me, the study of the document. This is the first. Secondly, the current relations are fraternal. Last year, I gave a license for confession to all of them, also a form of jurisdiction for marriages, but even before the problems, the cases they had, for example, had to be resolved by the Doctrine of the Faith. The Doctrine of the Faith carries them forward. For example, abuses. The cases of abuse, they brought them to us, also to the Penitentiary. Also the reduction to the lay state of a priest, they bring to us. The relations are fraternal. With Msgr. Fellay I have a good rapport. I’ve spoken many times… I don’t like to hurry things. Walk. Walk. Walk. And then we’ll see. For me, it’s not an issue of winners and losers, it’s an issue of brothers who must walk together, looking for a formula to make steps forward.
Tassilo Forcheimer (ARD): Holy Father, on the occasion of the anniversary of the Reformation, Evangelical Christians and Catholics are able to walk another stretch of road together. Will there be the possibility to participate in the same Eucharistic Mass? Some months ago, Cardinal Kasper said: A step forward could take place already this year.
Pope Francis: There have been great steps forward, eh … we think of the first statement on justification, from that moment the journey has not stopped… the trip to Sweden was very significant because it was just the beginning and also a commemoration with Sweden… also there is significance for the ecumenism of the journey… that is, to walk together, with prayer, with martyrdom, with works of charity, with works of mercy. And there, Lutheran Caritas and Catholic Caritas have made an agreement to work together. This is a great step. But steps are always awaited. You know that God is the God of surprises. But we must never stop. Always go on. To pray together, to give testimony together and to do works of mercy together, that announce the charity of Jesus Christ, to announce that Jesus Christ is Lord, is the only Savior, and that grace only comes from Him. And on this path the theologians they will continue to study, but the path must proceed. And (with) hearts opened to surprises.
Mimmo Muolo (Avvenire): Good evening Holiness. I’m asking you a question in the name of the Italian group. Yesterday and today at Fatima, we saw a great witness of popular faith together with you. The same that is found, for example, also in other Marian shrines like Medjugorje. What do you think of those apparitions, if they were apparition, and of the religious fervor they have aroused seeing that you have decided to appoint a bishop delegate for the pastoral aspects? And if I can permit myself a second question I know is very close to your heart besides that of us italians… I would like to know, the NGOs were accused of collusion with the boat traffickers of men. What do you think of this? Thanks.
Pope Francis: I’ll start with the first. I read in the papers that I peruse in the morning that there was this problem, but I still don’t know how the details are and because of this I can’t give an opinion. I know there is an issue and the investigations are moving ahead. I hope that they continue ahead and that the whole truth comes out. Medjugorje, all the apparitions, or the presumed apparitions, belong to the private sphere, they aren’t part of the public, ordinary magisterium of the Church. Medjugorje. Medjugorje. A commission was formed, headed by Cardinal Ruini. Benedict XVI made it. I, at the end of 2013 the beginning of 2014, I received the result from Cardinal Ruini. It was commission good theologians, bishops, cardinals, but good. Very good. And the commission. The Ruini report was very, very good. Then there were some doubts in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and the Congregation judged it opportune to send each one of the members of this Feria quarta (Editor’s note: “Feria Quarta” is a once-a-month meeting in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith during which current cases are examined) all the documentation, even those that seemed to be against the Ruini report. I received a notification – I remember it was a Saturday evening, late evening… and it didn’t seem right. It was like putting up for auction – excuse me the word – the Ruini report which was very well done. And Sunday morning the prefect received a letter from me that said that instead of sending them to the Feria Quarta, they they would send the opinions to me personally.
These opinions were studied and all of them underscore the density of the Ruini report. Principally, three things must be distinguished: the first apparitions, that they were kids. The report more or less says that it must continue being studied. The apparitions, the presumed current apparitions: the report has its doubts. I personally am more nasty, I prefer the Madonna as Mother, our Mother, and not a woman who’s the head of a telegraphic office, who everyday sends a message at such hour. This is not the Mother of Jesus. And these presumed apparitions don’t have a lot of value. This I say as a personal opinion. But, it’s clear. Who thinks that the Madonna says, ‘come tomorrow at this time, and at such time I will say a message to that seer?’ No. The two apparitions are distinguished. The third, the core of the Ruini report, the spiritual fact, the pastoral fact. People go there and convert. People who encounter God, change their lives…but this…there is no magic wand there. And this spiritual and pastoral fact can’t be ignored. Now, to see things with all this information, with the answers that the theologians sent me, this good, good bishop was appointed because he has experience, to see the pastoral part, how it’s going. And at the end he’ll say some words.
Muolo: Holiness, thank you, also for the blessing of my fellow citizens who thank you, they saw it and are very happy…
Greg Burke: Holiness, now if I can be the nasty one, we have done all of the language groups and…
Pope Francis: Time is up already?
Greg Burke: There’s a question, they tell me.
Pope Francis: One or two more.
Joshua McElwee (National Catholic Reporter): Thank you, Holy Father. The last member of the Commission for the Protection of Minors, who was abused by a priest, resigned in March. She, Ms. Marie Collins, said that she had to resign because the officials in the Vatican did not implement the recommendations of the commission that you, the Holy Father, approved. I have two questions: who is responsible, and what are you doing, Holy Father, to ensure that the priests and bishops in the Vatican implement the recommendations suggested by your commission?
Pope Francis: Marie Collins explained the matter to me well, I spoke with her, she is a good woman, but she continues to work in the formation of priests on this point… she is a good woman who wants to work … but she made this accusation, and she has a bit of reason… why? Because there are so many late cases, then in this period of lateness, because they accumulate there, you have to make legislation for this… what should the diocesan bishops do? Today in almost all the dioceses there is the protocol to follow in these cases: it is a great improvement. This way the dossiers are done well. Then there are the accusations…this is a step. Another step: there are few people, there needs to be more people capable in this area, and the Secretary of State is looking for, even Monsignor Mueller (Editor’s Note: Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith), to present new people. The other day two or three more were approved… the director of the disciplinary office changed, who was good, eh, he was very good but he was a bit tired… he returned to his home country to do the same with his episcopate. And the new one is an Irishman, Msgr. (John) Kennedy, he is a very good person, very efficient, prompt, and this helps a lot.
Then there is another thing: Sometimes the bishops send – if the protocol is okay, it goes right away to the Feria Quarta and the Feria Quarta studies and decides. If the protocol is not okay, it must go back to be redone. That’s why you think of continental help or in a continent or two … in Latin America, one in Colombia, another in Brazil, as pre-tribunals or continental tribunals… this is in the planning… but then it’s fine, they study it at feria quarta and they take away his clerical status. This goes back to the diocese, and the priest makes recourse. First, the application was studied by the same Feria Quarta that had given the sentence, and this is unfair. I created another tribunal and I put an indisputable person as the head, the Archbishop of Malta, Msgr. (Charles Jude) Scicluna, who is one of the strongest against abuses, and this second – because we must be just – the one who makes recourse is entitled to have a defender. If he (the defender) approves the first sentence, the case is over.His only option is a letter asking the Pope for pardon. I have never signed a pardon. I believe, I do not know, another question. This is how things are. We’re going forward. If Marie Collins was right on that point, we were also on the way. But there are 2000 cases piled up.
Portuguese journalist: I’m going to ask a question about the case Portugal, but I think that it can be applied to many of the Western societies. In Portugal, almost all of the Portuguese say they identify themselves as Catholics. But the way the society is organized, the decisions that we make, often are contrary to the indications of the Church. I refer to marriage between homosexuals, the legalization of abortion, now we’re going to begin discussing euthanasia. How do you see this?
Pope Francis: I think it’s a political problem. And that also the Catholic conscience isn’t a catholic one of total belonging to the Church and that behind that there isn’t a nuanced catechesis, a human catechesis. That is, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is an example of what is a serious and nuanced thing. I think that there is a lack of formation and also of culture. Because it’s curious, in some other regions, I think of the south of Italy, some in Latin America, they are very Catholic but they are anti-clerical and ‘priest-eaters’, that … there is a phenomenon that exists. It concerns me. That’s why I tell priests, you will have read it, to flee from clericalism because clericalism distances people. May they flee from clericalism and I add: it’s a plague in the Church. But here there is a work also of catechesis, of raising awareness, of dialogue, also of human values.
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As a Catholic and living in a country where over 60 million abortions from 1973 to 2020 and what the world would have been like with 60 million more people living in the US. Why isn’t the Vatican or Pope Francis commenting on abortion? President Bident is a horrible Catholic fully standing behind abortions. His party, the Democrat Party has fully endorsed late-term abortions, even after birth to make the baby comfortable and then decide if the baby needs to be killed. I’m not saying this has come from his administration, but his party in various states like Virginia and New York. In a time where Roe VS Wade has the potential to be overturned and to not “have the topic of abortion” discussed, and to not state anything after President Biden’s remarks after his meeting with Pope Francis, is likened to supporting the 60 million+ deaths attributed to abortion. Thank you for your time.
St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 5 states that an individual be excommunicated for having sexual relations with his stepmother and coming to communion. I pose the following question to Pope Francis “Which is the greater sin, sexual relations with your stepmother or abortion?”
Ooooooo, relativism, the bishops like this kind of comparison; i.e., J&J is more immoral than Moderna or Pfizer.
Oh, how you hate the truth.
That photo says it all. Bergoglio giggling with delight.
I hope the March for Life in January has this photo on every placard as protestors ignore the capitol and white house and detour to the nunciature. Maybe another branch of protestors can walk up to USCCB headquarters with photos of Cupich, Tobin and Gregory, all smiling with Bergoglio and Biden. Our Church has become a farce. God save us.
Bravo, Mr. Pfannenstiel. That is exactly what needs to be done with these clerical laughing hyenas. Yes, the Catholic Church has become a farce because bishops and priests have almost universally refused to confront and denounce evildoers like Bergoglio, Cupich, Tobin, and Gregory.
The faithful have a sense, strong but often undefined, of what Christianity is about. The traditore clergy and hierarchy, not so much.
Great idea to gather in front of the nunciature. Let’s lobby the Vatican to return to the true faith.
What does this Church actually believe? I’m not sure I know any more.
Prominent politicians call themselves Catholic and openly promote abortion in all stages, in every manner, and advocate for U.S. taxpayers to finance such killings all around the world, in numbers too vast to track.
The bishops who object I can count on my fingers.
Meanwhile, half of American Catholics vote for these politicians habitually, without giving a thought to the scores of millions of children who are lost because of their votes. Their active and willful agency in this holocaust of babies is nearly never mentioned from the pulpit in their parishes. Is it not of even the slightest concern to the Church?
And the bishops — and now, apparently, the pope — do business with these blood-ravening politicians every day, business-as-usual, without so much as paying lip service to these dead and dying children.
And yet these same bishops support the closing of their churches for months on end when facing a virus with a mortality rate of one percent.
Why the difference? Maybe because the bishops themselves can’t contract abortion?
Honestly, I’m struggling with my commitment to a faithless church led by corporate yes-men and bureaucrats, and peopled by bloody handed functionaries who do the bidding of their ideological betters without question, without hesitation.
If these tens of millions of dead babies don’t matter, what does?
Suffering Jesus, have pity on us.
Brineyman,
What you say is painfully true. How can Heaven ignore the 60 million murdered children whose blood cries to Heaven for justice! Oh Heaven, we are a sinful people. We beg you have mercy on us and raise up great souls, who are brave and unabashed in their passion for Jesus Christ Crucified. Yes, Lord Jesus, too many of the leaders of your Church here on earth, have become intoxicated with Satan’s sublime kool aid poison from Hell. Yes, Lord Jesus, send us souls like St. John the Baptist, St. Peter and St. Paul, St. John Chrysostom, St. Catherine and others, whose lives were unabashedly committed to your Eternal Truth, and nothing more. And then, COME LORD JESUS!
You wisely ask: “If these tens of millions of dead babies don’t matter, what does?”
Biden and Francis apparently consider as more important: Climate, poverty, and the pandemic.
We could safely excommunicate ourselves from thinking of these motley fools as leaders of a Christian free world. Repeatedly they’ve proven themselves to be confused, confusing, and disordered caricatures of any semblance of good leaders.
By what remedy may we rid ourselves of the shame they bring upon us and the death knells they ring for themselves? Christ, hear us. Christ, graciously hear us.
I guess Francis is just to shy to brag about his converts and how he recognized the urgency of the situation and convinced Biden to no longer be an agent for mass murder anymore. Gotta love the humility of the man.
So we’re to believe that if during World War II the Pope had met with Hitler, the topic of Jews being gassed in concentration camps and their bodies burned in ovens would not be discussed? Then, for certain, Pius XII could have rightfully been called “Hitler’s Pope.” And those were a mere 6 million persons murdered.
Fast forward to Pope Francis meeting with the head of our government who has directly influenced by policy decisions and funding the death of 60,000,000 persons. Are we to believe that the Vicar of Christ would not bring up the topic of abortion in that meeting – for this is exactly what Biden stated?
Unless Biden is a bold-face liar (remember, the Vatican has not said otherwise) what then should we rightfully call this Pope? And would Pius XII have instructed Hitler to, “by all means, do go and receive the Holy Eucharist”?
We are all responsible for our own sins, and subjected only to Gods justice.
Receiving the holy Eucharist will help to strengthen us in Gods way.
We are not to judge but only to love and forgive.
Right now we need to win some battles before we can win the war.
I pray every day for a stronger faith so as to do Gods will
It appears that Pope Francis is walking toward the “dark side” should it be true he truly advised President Biden that he is a good Catholic and he may continue to receive holy communion (through which the Holy Eucharist becomes the body and blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ).
This is the worst possible outcome. It leaves the bishops and the faithful hanging. It’s like not answering the dubia. Passive aggressive. I feel abused.
That’s a yes then
Both sides of this event have revealed themselves as utterly pathetic. It is nothing less than sickening to see “leadership” in the most powerful nation in the world and in the Church which was previously the strongest moral voice in the world reduced to a level of vacuous impotent posturing.
Gut wrenching to observe.
Joe getting a good ole boy slap on the back by the Pontiff; great stuff.
Abortion is a moral issue but if the president and Congress and anyone else wants to separate private moral matters from being debated, then why not take a full court press against abortion with science? We don’t have to mention religion if it’s too difficult for the president to bring his deeply held beliefs on the body politic. We can just give him the science of a separate, human life being terminated simply because one or more human beings who have the power in the situation use that power to snuff out the life of the innocent one.
Yes! Let’s follow the science to prove once and for all that at the moment of conception, a human life has begun. As if in 1973 those supreme court justices didn’t know this science then.
Speaking as a physicist. I think “science” is the worst argument of all. Since science has nothing whatsoever to do with value judgments, it is easy for “science” to be abused to where a pro-abort can deny personhood based on an argument of material functionality. No, the arguments must always focus on the meaning of intrinsic worth, which can be advanced independent of religion. I am not only a scientist, I am a former pro-life atheist, now a Catholic pro-lifer.
I get your point but I’m not sure many people in the wider culture do. I just got finished listening to a radio ad that recommends a gubernatorial candidate because “he listens to science,” suggesting that his opponent does not. This is where people’s minds are these days, so I think it’s important to respond to this mindset that wants to keep science to itself.
A pastoral approach to politicians who support the murder of babies in the womb would be to instruct them on Canon 915, which says that those indulging in mortal sin should not present themselves for reception of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. If Francis told Biden (and this is a big if) that he is a good Catholic and should keep going to Communion, it was likely a nice albeit subtle way of telling Biden to go to hell. Nothing pastoral there.
A pastoral approach to politicians who support the murder of babies in the womb would be to instruct them on Canon 915, which says that those indulging in mortal sin should not present themselves for reception of the Body and Blood of Christ. If Francis told Biden (and this is a big if) that he is a good Catholic and should keep going to Communion, it was likely a nice albeit subtle way of telling Biden to go to hell. Nothing pastoral there.
You said it. If Francis did his job, including his pastoral obligation, Biden would have come out of the meeting with an ashen solemn expression, in fact, they both would have.
If someone or head of state would claim that Pope Francis said that he does not really believe in climate change or that nations have the right to control immigration, or that he does not have any problem with pollution, would the Vatican refuse to clarify what the pope said on that private conversation?
Good point. There is the possibility that the conversation about abortion – which The NY Times quotes Biden as saying did not happen (which makes one wonder why the pope had to reassure Biden about his standing as a Catholic) – took place in the sacrament of reconciliation. If so, the pope would not be able to speak about the conversation. This, of course, does nothing to clear up the whole mess. If Francis can say that abortion is like hiring a hit man, why can’t he tell a member of his flock that he is demonstrating support for that great evil and should stop at once?
PETA is far more effective in stopping the mistreatment of dogs and being moral agents than this Pope is in stopping the murder of human persons. Maybe Francis ought to hire some PETA people for his Curia. They’ll instruct him in how to go about it.
If anyone has read Faggioli’s take (at VOA website), please interpret. What exactly is he saying?
He’s saying “beans”.
Certainly if using aborted/infanticide cell lines vaccines for saving bodily life is morally permissible in certain circumstances, using non-abortive fidelity to the 8th Holy Commandment as a spiritual vaccine for saving the soul’s eternal life is not only morally permissible but morally mandated, in certain cases, to avoid the harm and death of sins of scandal and their adverse effects. Let such a note be forthcoming.
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2491 Professional secrets – for example, those of political office holders, soldiers, physicians, and lawyers – or confidential information given under the seal of secrecy must be kept, save in exceptional cases where keeping the secret is bound to cause very grave harm to the one who confided it, to the one who received it 𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐫𝐝 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐲, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐦 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐲 𝐝𝐢𝐯𝐮𝐥𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡. Even if not confided under the seal of secrecy, private information prejudicial to another is not to be divulged without a grave and proportionate reason.
What is the grave harm:
𝟐𝟒𝟖𝟑 𝐋𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡. 𝐓𝐨 𝐥𝐢𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐤 𝐨𝐫 𝐚𝐜𝐭 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐧 𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐫. 𝐁𝐲 𝐢𝐧𝐣𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐦𝐚𝐧’𝐬 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐛𝐨𝐫, 𝐚 𝐥𝐢𝐞 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝.
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II. RESPECT FOR THE DIGNITY OF PERSONS
Respect for the souls of others: scandal
2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.
2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.” 86 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing. 87
2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. “Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!” 90
Well explained Pater, your response, as understood to this article and Vatican silence. There are instances as the Catechism teaches, that secrecy is not always a good. CCC 2491 Where keeping the secret is bound to cause very grave harm to the one who confided it, to the one who received it 𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐫𝐝 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐲, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐦 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐲 𝐝𝐢𝐯𝐮𝐥𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡. Your highlight of 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐫𝐝 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐲 in the Biden Francis exchange would, to my understanding reference the members of the Church. Persons laity, clergy seeking clarity on Eucharistic cohesion. Again, it is my interpretation that there’s grave harm in counselling someone that the Eucharist can be licitly received by a Catholic who favors and expands abortion rights. That in doing so leads to “scandal and responsibility for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged”. Grave harm also pertains then to the person giving permission as well as the party receiving it. The party receiving it, if lying is in grave danger for lying on a crucial faith issue misrepresenting the Roman Pontiff. If he is telling the truth the secret is already divulged granting the Pontiff freedom to acknowledge it. If lying the Pontiff is obliged to correct a grave and misleading lie for sake of the salvation of the alleged recipient as well as for the scandalized members of the Church. I would add here, if hypothetically a man were intending to deceive the Church to believe that a grave sin can be granted liceity due to circumstances [like political expediency or any other rationale] while simultaneously openly and clearly condemning that sin, would not that be a powerful means of achieving that evil intent? Silence and what it suggests can achieve that end.
The reason the media was banned from the Papal Audience with Biden is obvious: Two elderly men, both suffering from serious Foot in Mouth Disease, were bound to say something outrageous and/or stupid. Therefore keeping the meeting under wraps was perhaps necessary to avoid scandal.
Johann, I would like to agree with you although this is a serious matter because of what it conveys, especially to the faithful. Archbishop Viganò has received criticism on some matters. Today he issued a statement that rings true: “Even if what Biden said corresponds perfectly to the intemperate quips of Jorge Mario Bergoglio – who called a notorious radical abortion activist a great Italian – it is evident that such statements represent an unheard of scandal, since they fail to condemn the positions of a political personality who supports abortion, disavow the immutable position of the Magisterium of the Church, and resound as a blatant invitation to commit sacrilege, profaning the Most Holy Eucharist by receiving it in the state of public and manifest sin” (Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò in the Remnant 10.31.21).
The pope has a responsibility to publicly address a public objectively sinful act. This cannot be a private matter. Biden and other Catholic politicians have made it a public demonstration of support for grave sinfulness. The Vatican cannot hide behind “it’s a private conversation.” This is a scandal of enormous gravity. If Bergoglio remains silent on what Biden said and allows Biden’s characterization of their conversation to prevail, Bergoglio is complicit in this grave scandal.
Unless the Vatican issues a statement denying Biden’s claims, we are witnessing a watershed moment in the life of the Church. The final confrontation that JPII talked about in 1976 is in full swing. The “storm” that a number of Catholic mystics have said is coming can’t be simply dismissed as the work of overactive imaginations.
This disastrous pope is a scandal worse than the sexual abuse catastrophe. The bishops had better muster up courage, if they are even capable of that anymore. The crisis has arrived. And Bergoglio is laughing.
Do you think God is giving enough rope to the pope to hang himself?