This column is being written on the eve of a much-publicized summit meeting of bishops from around the world whom Pope Francis has summoned to Rome to discuss the sex abuse scandal but will appear after it. No matter how that gathering turns out or what the media make of it, the thoughts that follow will stay the same.
A couple of weeks ago my parish’s weekly bulletin plugged a session titled “Why Stay Catholic?” Very likely many parishes around the country are having similar sessions as reports of Catholics leaving the Church multiply.
In a way, it’s hard to blame people who pack up and quit. The media pummeling over sex abuse that the Church has received for months—years, in fact—has taken its toll on morale, and the widely held perception that the authorities are dragging their feet on reforms certainly doesn’t help.
But quit the Church? No. Here are some reasons why not.
First, the Church in the United States has made enormous strides in owning up to the existence of this problem and doing something about it.
Yes, bishops of an earlier generation were calamitously slow in responding to the evil as it spread in the 1960s and 1970s. And yes, it took devastating media coverage of abuse and coverup to galvanize the hierarchy into adopting mandatory reforms 17 years ago. And yes again, the bishops have yet to adopt a system for holding bishops accountable. (They tried last November, but the Vatican said not yet.)
But the fact is that the system put in place in 2002 has worked. The names of abusers currently being released by dioceses throughout the country are ancient history, not current offenders. The 12 months ending June 30, 2017 brought only six verified allegations of newly occurring sexual abuse of a minor by a Catholic priest in the United States. Since four of these situations concerned the same individual, that means only three priests overall were involved.
On another front, the Pope’s action in removing ex-cardinal Theodore McCarrick from the priesthood in the face of his gross misdeeds was an obvious, necessary step. Still very much on the table, though, is who facilitated McCarrick’s rise to the heights of the hierarchy even though his perverse conduct was widely known, or at least rumored, in some clerical circles. Pope Francis has promised a scouring of the Vatican archives to find answers, which are likely to extend through the last three pontificates, including his own. The results of that investigation can hardly come too soon.
Meanwhile, the question of what role, if any, homosexuality in the clergy has played in the sex abuse scandal and other troubled areas of Church life cries out for examination. Publication of a book by a gay French journalist alleging a heavy homosexual presence within the Vatican itself underlines the need both here and in Rome for serious fact-finding, though certainly not a homophobic witch hunt.
In short, despite real progress in the United States in providing significant safeguards against future abuse of minors, the Church—in America, at the Vatican, and many other places—now faces an urgent challenge: to find fact-based answers to several pressing questions involving sex and the clergy and to adopt whatever new reforms the facts may dictate.
For some Catholics, this may be a reason to quit the Church. For others it is a reason to stay—and, in staying, to be part of the growing body of concerned, loyal Catholics lobbying for reform. My vote is with the latter group.
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Dainelys Soto, Genesis Contreras, and Daniel Soto, who arrived from Venezuela after crossing the U.S. border from Mexico, wait for dinner at a hotel provided by the Annunciation House on Sept. 22, 2022 in El Paso, Texas. / Credit: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
CNA Staff, Sep 9, 2024 / 06:00 am (CNA).
Long a champion of immigrants, particularly those fleeing war-torn countries and impoverished regions, Pope Francis last month delivered some of the clearest words in his papacy yet in support of migrants — and in rebuke of those who turn away from them.
“It must be said clearly: There are those who work systematically and with every means possible to repel migrants,” the pope said during a weekly Angelus address. “And this, when done with awareness and responsibility, is a grave sin.”
“In the time of satellites and drones, there are migrant men, women, and children that no one must see,” the pope said. “They hide them. Only God sees them and hears their cry. This is a cruelty of our civilization.”
The pope has regularly spoken out in favor of immigrants. In June he called on the faithful to “unite in prayer for all those who have had to leave their land in search of dignified living conditions.” The Holy Father has called the protection of migrants a “moral imperative.” He has argued that migrants “[must] be received” and dealt with humanely.
Migrants aboard an inflatable vessel in the Mediterranean Sea approach the guided-missile destroyer USS Carney in 2013. Carney provided food and water to the migrants aboard the vessel before coordinating with a nearby merchant vessel to take them to safety. Credit: Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. 6th Fleet, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons
The Catholic Church has long been an advocate and protector of immigrants. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) notes on its website that “a rich body of Church teaching, including papal encyclicals, bishops’ statements, and pastoral letters, has consistently reinforced our moral obligation to treat the stranger as we would treat Christ himself.”
The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that prosperous nations “are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin.”
Popes throughout the years, meanwhile, have expressed sentiments on immigration similar to Francis’. Pope Pius XII in 1952, for instance, described the Holy Family’s flight into Egypt as “the archetype of every refugee family.”
The Church, Pius XII said, “has been especially careful to provide all possible spiritual care for pilgrims, aliens, exiles, and migrants of every kind.”
Meanwhile, “devout associations” throughout the centuries have spearheaded “innumerable hospices and hospitals” in part for immigrants, Pius XII said.
Implications and applications of Church teaching
Chad Pecknold, an associate professor of systematic theology at The Catholic University of America, noted that the catechism “teaches that nations have the right to borders and self-definition, so there is no sense in which Catholic teaching supports the progressive goal of ‘open borders.’”
“There is a ‘duty of care’ which is owed to those fleeing from danger,” he told CNA, “but citizenship is not owed to anyone who can make it across a national border, and illegal entry or asylum cannot be taken as a debt of citizenship.”
Paul Hunker, an immigration attorney who previously served as chief counsel of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in Dallas, agreed.
“States have to have responsibility for their own communities, they have to look out for them,” he told CNA. “So immigration can be regulated so as to not harm the common good.”
Still, Hunker noted, Catholic advocates are not wrong in responding to immigration crises — like the ongoing irregular influx through the U.S. southern border — with aid and assistance.
Paul Hunker, an immigration attorney and former chief counsel of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in Dallas, says Catholic advocates are not wrong in responding to immigration crises — like the ongoing irregular influx through the U.S. southern border — with aid and assistance. Credit: Photo courtesy of Paul Hunker
Many Catholic organizations offer shelter, food, and legal assistance to men, women, and children who cross into the country illegally; such groups have been overwhelmed in recent years with the crush of arriving migrants at the country’s southern border.
“It’s the responsibility of the federal government to take care of the border,” he said. “When the government has created a crisis at the U.S. border, Catholic dioceses are going to want to help people.”
“I completely support what the Catholic organizations are doing in Mexico and the United States to assist people who are there,” Hunker said. “The people responding are not responsible for these crises.”
Latest crisis and legal challenge
Not everyone feels similarly. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has launched an investigation of multiple Catholic nonprofits that serve illegal immigrants in the state. Paxton alleges that through the services it provides to migrants, El Paso-based Annunciation House has been facilitating illegal immigration and human trafficking.
A lawyer for the group called the allegations “utter nonsense,” though attorney Jerome Wesevich acknowledged that the nonprofit “serves undocumented persons as an expression of the Catholic faith and Jesus’ command to love one another, no exceptions.”
There are considerable numbers of Church teachings that underscore the need for a charitable response to immigrants. In his 1963 encyclical Pacem in Terris, Pope John XXIII argued that man “has the right to freedom of movement and of residence within the confines of his own state,” and further that “when there are just reasons in favor of it, he must be permitted to emigrate to other countries and take up residence there.”
In the encyclical Caritas in Veritate, meanwhile, Pope Benedict XVI in 2009 acknowledged that migration poses “dramatic challenges” for nations but that migrants “cannot be considered as a commodity or a mere workforce.”
“Every migrant is a human person who, as such, possesses fundamental, inalienable rights that must be respected by everyone and in every circumstance,” the late pope wrote.
Edward Feser, a professor of philosophy at Pasadena City College in California, noted that the Church “teaches that nations should be welcoming to immigrants, that they should be sensitive to the hardships that lead them to emigrate, that they ought not to scapegoat them for domestic problems, and so on.”
Catholic teaching does not advocate an ‘open borders’ policy
Yet Catholic teaching does not advocate an “open borders” policy, Feser said. He emphasized that the catechism says countries should accept immigrants “to the extent they are able,” and further that countries “may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions.”
There “is nothing per se in conflict with Catholic teaching when citizens and politicians call on the federal government to enforce its immigration laws,” Feser said. “On the contrary, the catechism backs them up on this.”
In addition, it is “perfectly legitimate,” Feser argued, for governments to consider both economic and cultural concerns when setting immigration policy. It is also “legitimate to deport those who enter a country illegally,” he said.
Still, he acknowledged, a country can issue exceptions to valid immigration laws when the moral situation demands it.
“Of course, there can be individual cases where a nation should forgo its right to deport those who enter it illegally, and cases where the manner in which deportations occur is associated with moral hazards, such as when doing so would break up families or return an immigrant to dangerous conditions back in his home country,” he said.
“Governments should take account of this when formulating and enforcing policy,” he said.
The tension between responding charitably to immigrants and ensuring a secure border was perhaps put most succinctly in 1986 by the late Father Theodore Hesburgh, who served as chairman of the U.S. Select Commission for Immigration and Refugee Policy that was created by the U.S. Congress in the early 1980s.
“It is not enough to sympathize with the aspirations and plight of illegal aliens. We must also consider the consequences of not controlling our borders,” said the late Father Theodore Hesburgh, who served as chairman of the U.S. Select Commission for Immigration and Refugee Policy that was created by the U.S. Congress in the early 1980s. Credit: Photo courtesy of University of Notre Dame
Writing several years after the commission, Hesburgh explained: “It is not enough to sympathize with the aspirations and plight of illegal aliens. We must also consider the consequences of not controlling our borders.”
“What about the aspirations of Americans who must compete for jobs and whose wages and work standards are depressed by the presence of large numbers of illegal aliens?” the legendary late president of the University of Notre Dame reflected. “What about aliens who are victimized by unscrupulous employers and who die in the desert at the hands of smugglers?”
“The nation needn’t wait until we are faced with a choice between immigration chaos and closing the borders,” Hesburgh stated nearly 40 years ago.
Pope Francis waves to pilgrims at his General Audience in St. Peter’s Square at the Vatican, Wednesday, June 26, 2024 / Daniel Ibanez/CNA
Vatican City, Jul 5, 2024 / 11:46 am (CNA).
Pope Francis will travel more than 20,000 miles over the course of seven flights during his ambitious 12-day trip to four countries in Southeast Asia and Oceania this September.
At the age of 87, the Holy Father is set to take on his most ambitious international trip yet to Southeast Asia and Oceania in September.
The Vatican published Friday the full schedule for the pope’s trip to Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, East Timor, and Singapore from Sept. 2 to 13.
The first stop on his Southeast Asia tour is Indonesia, home to the largest Muslim population in the world, where he will preside over an interfaith meeting in Jakarta’s Istiqlal Mosque.
After a 13-hour flight and day of rest in the Indonesian capital, Francis will meet with the country’s President Joko Widodo on Sept. 4 and deliver a speech to political leaders at the Istana Merdeka Presidential Palace.
The pope will also visit Jakarta’s Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption to meet with bishops, priests, religious sisters, and seminarians after meeting privately with local Jesuits.
More than 29 million Christians live in Indonesia, 7 million of whom are Catholic, while Indonesia’s 229 million Muslims make up more than 12% of the global Muslim population. Nearly all of Indonesia’s Muslims are Sunni.
The pope’s second full day in Jakarta begins with an interreligious meeting in the Istiqlal Mosque, the ninth-largest mosque in the world.
Pope Francis will conclude his time in Indonesia with a Mass on the evening of Sept. 5 in Jakarta’s Gelora Bung Karno Stadium, which has a seating capacity of 77,000, after meeting with beneficiaries from local charitable organizations.
On Sept. 6, he will travel nearly 3,000 miles to Papua New Guinea’s sprawling capital of Port Moresby.
Pope Francis will visit local ministries that care for street children and persons with disabilities on his first full day in Papua New Guinea on Sept. 7, which also includes a speech to the local political authorities and an address to the local clergy at the Shrine of Mary Help of Christians.
The following day, the pope will meet with Papua New Guinea’s Prime Minister James Marape before presiding over Sunday Mass in Port Moresby’s Sir John Guise Stadium.
He will then fly to Vanimo, a city in the northwesternmost province of Papua New Guinea, where he will greet local missionaries and address local Catholics in front of the Holy Cross Cathedral before flying back to the capital city Sunday night.
Pope Francis will travel on Sept. 9 to the small country of East Timor, which has a population that is more than 97% Catholic.
In Dili, the country’s capital, Pope Francis will visit children with disabilities, meet local clergy and religious in the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception, give a speech at the Presidential Palace, and preside over Mass in the Esplanade of Taci Tolu over the course of two days.
The pope’s final stop before returning to Rome will be the island of Singapore, the country with the highest GDP per capita in Asia and the second-highest population density of any country in the world.
Pope Francis will be welcomed to Singapore’s world-renowned Changi International Airport on Sept. 11. He will meet President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and Prime Minister Lawrence Wong on Sept. 12 before presiding over Mass in Singapore’s SportsHub National Stadium, the third stadium Mass of the trip.
On his last day in Asia, the pope will preside over an interreligious meeting with young people in Singapore’s Catholic Junior College and visit a group of elderly people. He will make the 6,000-mile journey back to Italy on a chartered Singapore Airlines flight scheduled to land in Rome at 6:25 p.m. on Sept. 13.
The nearly two-week venture will be the pope’s first international trip in 2024. Francis has slowed down his travel schedule in recent months as health and mobility issues, from a knee injury to recurring bronchitis, have forced him to cancel some public appearances, including his last planned foreign visit to Dubai.
Pope Francis is also scheduled to make a four-day trip to Belgium and Luxembourg at the end of September.
St. Peter’s Basilica, seen through the Vatican’s Christmas tree. / Daniel Ibáñez/CNA.
Vatican City, Dec 15, 2021 / 05:20 am (CNA).
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4 things:
1. I remain a faithful Catholic, assenting to all of the Scripture, Tradition, Creed, and Catechism up through the 2013 Conclave for Homosexual Apostasy.
2. I know that Pope Francis and “his teammates” do not share the Catholic faith, and they have said and done plenty in their long public lives to prove their infidelity, including harboring fiendish unrepentant abusers, and persecuting the innocent ofvThe Lord, as they did to the priests and sisters of the Franciscan Friars of The Immaculate (FFI), and now do to the Little Sisters of Mary Mother of the Redeemer.
3. I recognize that the objective of Francis and his team is to destroy the Catholic faith, and as such they are the enemies of my wife and children and family and Catholic friends and faithful everywhere.
4. I will fast and pray as commanded by Jesus, that the evil spirits oppressing The Church of The McCarrick Establishment will be driven out.
Last summer, Pope Francis asked that McCarrick live a life of prayer and penance until a thorough investigation of allegations against him took place. He took residence at St. Fidelis Friary in Victoria beginning on September 28, 2018. Mr. McCarrick will continue to reside at the St. Fidelis Friary in Victoria until a decision of permanent residence is finalized.
My question, since the church says it isn’t supporting his living expenses, who is paying!? The Friary? If my husband was found quilts of fondling children he would be in prison! This is wrong, totally unacceptable.
I was part of Sisters Minor of mary immaculate and this order under patrizi was abuseive and neglectful of her sisters. I was refused medical attention forced by patrizi to leave the hospital. I was physically mentally spiritually abuse I witness abuse and neglect of other sisters in the order which gave me no choice but to leave. She even helped cover up priest abuse and tolerated and allowed sexual assault of her sisters by other sisters in the order by having a closed meeting with church official Alcoholism was tolerated and patrizi would put unfit superiors into authority torturing sisters and breaking thier spirits, souls, bodies and minds down, so as to make them submissive to do evil things. severe punishments were given, like beating, starving and imprisonment.
Medical attention or going against doctor wishes was perpetrated by Patrizi Kovacs and other sisters were superiors. There was no charity and most of us sisters lived in fear not of God but of Patrizi and Kovacs. For some reason or other the church allowed this for years because of her family name Patrizi which is tied to the Vatican. I have reported the abuse I suffered at the hands of Patrizi and Kovacs to my diocese so they know. They knew since 2003 under administration of bishop Dupre There was racism in the order where an African American sister would be called a black dog frequently by her superior. She left. Other sisters were stuck in countries because thier visas ran out and one particular sister was stuck in Italy.
There was a death of an Italian sister who was imprisoned and not allowed to see her family she did not get medical attention and she had lung cancer. Another sister who was Polish was put in an institution against her will she called me for help. Another sister nearly died because she was bleeding internally she is American and if it was not for her doctor she would not be here today. October 4 2014 a document from the Vatican was addressing patrizi that the order she founded and other orders she started were abusive and she no longer allowed to find another order. The Vatican disbanded the order as away to avoid accountability and responsibility of the abuse committed
A survivor who was a minor reported this Hey, I was held hostage by them 23 years ago in Connecticut when I was invited to go on a retreat before going off to school in Europe. I was a devout Catholic, but had no intention of becoming a nun. I was 17 years old. She tricked me into believing it would just be a safe way for me to see the East Coast. It was maybe a month or week before 09/11/2001. Theresa held me longer than the week I was supposed to be there, kept canceling my flight and would come into my room every night telling me that no man would ever want me and I am not marriage material. She would badger me about the littletist things, complain my skirts were too short, withold food, would not allow me to read, no air condition except for in Church. There was an Italian girl visiting who was allowed to do what she wanted and Theresa would constantly compare me to her. My mother finally threatened to call the police and I think Theresa took me to my new scheduled flight. I completely forgot about it and was able to attend the school I was supposed to in France a few months later. I think it was a few weeks before 09/11 when this all happened and I often wonder if she had kept me longer, if I would have ended up on one of the planes. I just found out how this has all come to light. I just googled it to see if this order still existed. I completely blocked that negative experience out of my life.
Chris, we share your sentiments, Also, we will contribute only to lay groups active in this restoration.struggle. Church leadership will remain obedient to Francis.
Mike Aquilina’s book Good Pope, Bad Pope is a good read in these difficult times, to remind us that the Catholic Church has had pretty horrific Popes in the past and still survived. While good Popes help strengthen the faith, ultimately what keeps the Church going is Jesus Christ.
Amen Johan, Jesus Christ is the Head of the Body of Christ, the pope merely his steward. The faithful steward is a blessing to the Church; the unfaithful as like the one sitting now is a bitter curse.
This is not just another case of a bad man occupying the Chair. For all I know, Francis could be an Eagle Scout. The problem is that he uses his office to promote a false gospel. I don’t know what the solution is, but we must stop telling ourselves that this is the same old problem that we’ve had before. It isn’t.
I totally agree! We don’t go to Church because of the priests, we go there because that is God’s house and where we are fed by Christ. I am confident that Christ will once again clean out His house, remembering that not all priests are evil; the majority are good, holy men of God. Those Catholics who leave the Church are just using this as an excuse to abandon their faith. Such a pity.
They go only when they are resisted. Those now in the Vatican seeking the destruction of all that is holy and beautiful of the RCC will not retire quietly. But you know that, Cajetan. Francis plays for keeps. His successor is already in-processing. Bet on it.
Chris in Maryland, I too agree with your comments. For me a sad day. But also a joyful day, knowing Jesus will never leave his Church, and knowing we in turn will cling to him.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Josh 24:15
“But the fact is that the system put in place in 2002 has worked. . . ”
I’ve admired Mr. Shaw for years, but I must point out why the above statement is “true”:
It’s true because now-Mr. McCarrick engineered that “system” to exclude himself and his fellow prelates from any accountability. Forever.
And it’s not only “bishops of an earlier generation” who were, and are, the problem. Many bishops sitting today have been accused, as they were reminded last November in the USCCB meeting that Cardinal Cupich successfully shut down. Where’s the justice? Why are they exempt?
Let’s “move on,” and avoid the “Rabbit Hole” (which is actually the Memory Hole)?
We cannot successfully “move forward” without “looking backward” – with the cold eye of truth, transparency, accountability, and justice.
Many Prelates are undoubtedly opposed to that necessity. They are in denial, but their number is apparently legion, both here and abroad, and concentrated in the Vatican.
Because the USCCB wants to act “united,” this faction’s objection to transparency, accountability, and justice will prevail. They will never allow a full and honest investigation of anything.
The rot will remain.
I’ll tell you why I’m staying in the Church: because it’s the only Church founded by Christ to save sinners, and I’m one.
As far as our sellout bishops? I am fond of the observation of Professor Peter Kreeft:
“Judas was the first bishop to take a government grant.”
There is one and only one reason to be Catholic: The Catholic Faith is true.
No where in this article does Shaw even mention truth. Attempting to justify staying based on the actions of men is absurd. Obviously, Shaw spent too many years as a spin doctor for the NCCB.
I remain in the Church, just not in the Novus Ordo Liberal Modernist Church of Vatican 2 . In 1997 we left our local parish and went to Detroit to the nearest SSPX Chapel and have never looked back. 22 years and still there. Maybe Rome will return to the Church sometime soon. One can only hope.
Russell, the archbishop of St. Louis is retiring soon, he who reportedly advised chancery officials in trials in abuse cases in St. Cloud diocese to just say “I don’t remember” regardless the question. He also used that response himself in depositions for cases in Minneapolis. Before the Vatican simply announces who our new one is to be, do Catholics in St. Louis have any channels to demand that the announcement of the new archbishop comes with a full report on any and all dealings with clergy abuse or sexual scandals, in fact any cases of criminal acts by anyone he had authority over, as well as sworn testimony from him about when he first heard anything about the notorious activities of exCardinal McCarrick. Do we have a right under canon law to demand a full account from the Vatican on what they know about the man who may head our archdiocese for years to come?
The short answer is no. The process is under Pontifical Secret within the control of the Church establishment which makes the inquiries, not the other way around. The laity–indeed anyone outside the candidate in question, including clergy or prelates who are not part of the vetting process–have no say in the matter. Now if there were an Episcopal or Lutheran setting, that might be a different story.
I agree with much of what Mr. Shaw has written. There are problems in our Church which immediately and efficiently must be addressed. I will never leave my faith; there are too many reasons and people why I won’t. Unfortunately, many others can only look at the bad and rely on that for a reason to miss the beauty and strength of the Catholic church.
No, the church in the west has not made enormous stride against clergy sex abuse sir and the summit by Pope Francis was evasive and finger-pointing, give me a break. Pope Francis put some of the blame on families. Church heirachy has a moral obligation to protect its children and the church heirachy are not taking very seriously the sex abuse of children. They must (seriously) cleanse the church of homosexuals and molesters now.
We stay in the Church in order to have confident access to the sacraments. Providentially, we can draw from our history of a millennium and a half ago…
Back then the Donatists heresy flourished in North Africa. The Donatists held that clerics who had caved to (torturous) persecution had lost their sacramental role, and that their celebration of the sacraments was not valid.
The Donatists persisted from the middle of the 4th century in St. Augustine’s time, and then lingered until the 8th century when Islam swept across all of North Africa and all of the-some 250 bishoprics in North Africa disappeared altogether. (Sound modern?)
The Donatist tactic was to establish parallel diocese within most of the Catholic dioceses. (Again, modern?) Of this general period one fairly recent Islamic apologist (Maulani Muhammed Ali, 1924) reported: “In short, Christianity—last of the revealed religions of the world—was practically defunct. It had lost all driving force towards moral reform.” (Again, modern?)
Along the way Donatism was refuted, and mostly suppressed, largely with the help of the disintegrating Roman Empire. The upshot is that regardless of clerical apostasies, the ordinations remain intact and the sacraments received from even betraying hands remain valid. (The silver lining for today.)
THIS is the reason for remaining in the Catholic Church. It’s about reliable access to the sacramental REAL PRESENCE (CCC 1374: “body and blood, [AND] soul and divinity”). We are free to indwell (always today) the divine interior life of the Trinity, just as that divine life comes to indwell each of us.
So, the gates of hell—-moral gangrene, the smoke of Satan, clericalist evasion and double-speak-—will not prevail.
In the meantime while we in the pews wait for a resolution to the Church’s homosexualist issues and for a time when we can face a confessor with a lot more confidence of his orthodoxy and being straight, we’re still left with what seems like a political civil war split with the hierarchy clearly on the extreme left of us, while at the same time burning more and more incense including talk of “unleashing the gospel” of course the NAB version
The foundation of the church is still the same even if the current institution leadership (Pope, Cardinals, Bishops) looks corrupt and unable to examine its conscious in a full and meaningful way to get to the root of the problems. Ignoring an examination of homosexuality impact on the abuse crisis (both minors and seminarians). Ignoring accountability for past decisions of leadership that let the abuse fester and grow. Many in leadership do not want to hurt any feelings it appears.
Thanks, Charles. But I recall being told by good source that so-called priests councils are sometimes extensively consulted but they also must pledge secrecy. Didn’t mean to imply I was asking from Lutheran or Anglican bias. Jim
I’m wondering exactly what the author Russell Shaw means by a “homosexual witch-hunt”. Does he think unrepentant and practicing homosexuals should remain in the priesthood?
Fred, this is what is meant by “homosexual witch-hunt”. Assume by some miracle you were declared to be the Pope starting tomorrow. How exactly, Pope Fred, would you go about identifying and eliminating homosexuals from the clergy?
Yes our very spiritual life depends on the sacraments. Keep your money and gripe all you want but if you stay away from the sacraments you are just killing yourself. Is your charity (love of God) that strong that you do not need this source of grace He gave us? This is a temptation of the devil to lead you away from the true Church. Stay with your parish and start a Eucharistic Adoration chapel and be the most fervent one to use it.
M. Virginia
Catholic means universal and in my personal view could be used to broaden the meaning of the word Church to include the Eastern Orthodox founded by t Apostles in Antioch AD 37 and have Apostolic succession while their Sacraments are recognized as valid and hold on to tradition for dear life with a recognition of the Pope as first in honor only and all bishops as equal, that is to say they recognize the Pope in all but the Juridical power he has claimed for himself and so in essence there is another valid and worthy path to follow Christ even more fully as the early Christians did where most Churches were independent relying solely on local bishops. They are of course not without their own problems which usually are matters of geographical differences, Patriarchal squabbles involving power but not so much juridical power as changes in the Eastern Churches can only be made by agreement of all the bishops and patriarchs accepting and ratifying same and with each country or group of countries being autonomous there are no where near the problems found in the West with modernity and radical trashing of traditions via Vat. II being the most obvious along with the sexual scandals that followed with the 60 s sexual revolutions. Bottom line is you can make a change and still be Catholic, traditional and with valid Sacraments without the corruption and scandals that come from abuse of power so dominating the Western Church.
4 things:
1. I remain a faithful Catholic, assenting to all of the Scripture, Tradition, Creed, and Catechism up through the 2013 Conclave for Homosexual Apostasy.
2. I know that Pope Francis and “his teammates” do not share the Catholic faith, and they have said and done plenty in their long public lives to prove their infidelity, including harboring fiendish unrepentant abusers, and persecuting the innocent ofvThe Lord, as they did to the priests and sisters of the Franciscan Friars of The Immaculate (FFI), and now do to the Little Sisters of Mary Mother of the Redeemer.
3. I recognize that the objective of Francis and his team is to destroy the Catholic faith, and as such they are the enemies of my wife and children and family and Catholic friends and faithful everywhere.
4. I will fast and pray as commanded by Jesus, that the evil spirits oppressing The Church of The McCarrick Establishment will be driven out.
Last summer, Pope Francis asked that McCarrick live a life of prayer and penance until a thorough investigation of allegations against him took place. He took residence at St. Fidelis Friary in Victoria beginning on September 28, 2018. Mr. McCarrick will continue to reside at the St. Fidelis Friary in Victoria until a decision of permanent residence is finalized.
My question, since the church says it isn’t supporting his living expenses, who is paying!? The Friary? If my husband was found quilts of fondling children he would be in prison! This is wrong, totally unacceptable.
I was part of Sisters Minor of mary immaculate and this order under patrizi was abuseive and neglectful of her sisters. I was refused medical attention forced by patrizi to leave the hospital. I was physically mentally spiritually abuse I witness abuse and neglect of other sisters in the order which gave me no choice but to leave. She even helped cover up priest abuse and tolerated and allowed sexual assault of her sisters by other sisters in the order by having a closed meeting with church official Alcoholism was tolerated and patrizi would put unfit superiors into authority torturing sisters and breaking thier spirits, souls, bodies and minds down, so as to make them submissive to do evil things. severe punishments were given, like beating, starving and imprisonment.
Medical attention or going against doctor wishes was perpetrated by Patrizi Kovacs and other sisters were superiors. There was no charity and most of us sisters lived in fear not of God but of Patrizi and Kovacs. For some reason or other the church allowed this for years because of her family name Patrizi which is tied to the Vatican. I have reported the abuse I suffered at the hands of Patrizi and Kovacs to my diocese so they know. They knew since 2003 under administration of bishop Dupre There was racism in the order where an African American sister would be called a black dog frequently by her superior. She left. Other sisters were stuck in countries because thier visas ran out and one particular sister was stuck in Italy.
There was a death of an Italian sister who was imprisoned and not allowed to see her family she did not get medical attention and she had lung cancer. Another sister who was Polish was put in an institution against her will she called me for help. Another sister nearly died because she was bleeding internally she is American and if it was not for her doctor she would not be here today. October 4 2014 a document from the Vatican was addressing patrizi that the order she founded and other orders she started were abusive and she no longer allowed to find another order. The Vatican disbanded the order as away to avoid accountability and responsibility of the abuse committed
A survivor who was a minor reported this Hey, I was held hostage by them 23 years ago in Connecticut when I was invited to go on a retreat before going off to school in Europe. I was a devout Catholic, but had no intention of becoming a nun. I was 17 years old. She tricked me into believing it would just be a safe way for me to see the East Coast. It was maybe a month or week before 09/11/2001. Theresa held me longer than the week I was supposed to be there, kept canceling my flight and would come into my room every night telling me that no man would ever want me and I am not marriage material. She would badger me about the littletist things, complain my skirts were too short, withold food, would not allow me to read, no air condition except for in Church. There was an Italian girl visiting who was allowed to do what she wanted and Theresa would constantly compare me to her. My mother finally threatened to call the police and I think Theresa took me to my new scheduled flight. I completely forgot about it and was able to attend the school I was supposed to in France a few months later. I think it was a few weeks before 09/11 when this all happened and I often wonder if she had kept me longer, if I would have ended up on one of the planes. I just found out how this has all come to light. I just googled it to see if this order still existed. I completely blocked that negative experience out of my life.
Excellent comments Chris. The day is coming soon when these abominations will all become manifest. Jesus will not be mocked.
Chris, we share your sentiments, Also, we will contribute only to lay groups active in this restoration.struggle. Church leadership will remain obedient to Francis.
Mike Aquilina’s book Good Pope, Bad Pope is a good read in these difficult times, to remind us that the Catholic Church has had pretty horrific Popes in the past and still survived. While good Popes help strengthen the faith, ultimately what keeps the Church going is Jesus Christ.
Amen Johan, Jesus Christ is the Head of the Body of Christ, the pope merely his steward. The faithful steward is a blessing to the Church; the unfaithful as like the one sitting now is a bitter curse.
I’ve got that. Must read it sometime.
This is not just another case of a bad man occupying the Chair. For all I know, Francis could be an Eagle Scout. The problem is that he uses his office to promote a false gospel. I don’t know what the solution is, but we must stop telling ourselves that this is the same old problem that we’ve had before. It isn’t.
I totally agree! We don’t go to Church because of the priests, we go there because that is God’s house and where we are fed by Christ. I am confident that Christ will once again clean out His house, remembering that not all priests are evil; the majority are good, holy men of God. Those Catholics who leave the Church are just using this as an excuse to abandon their faith. Such a pity.
Be steadfast. Problems lack stamina. Problems come and problems go.
They go only when they are resisted. Those now in the Vatican seeking the destruction of all that is holy and beautiful of the RCC will not retire quietly. But you know that, Cajetan. Francis plays for keeps. His successor is already in-processing. Bet on it.
Chris in Maryland, I too agree with your comments. For me a sad day. But also a joyful day, knowing Jesus will never leave his Church, and knowing we in turn will cling to him.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Josh 24:15
“But the fact is that the system put in place in 2002 has worked. . . ”
I’ve admired Mr. Shaw for years, but I must point out why the above statement is “true”:
It’s true because now-Mr. McCarrick engineered that “system” to exclude himself and his fellow prelates from any accountability. Forever.
And it’s not only “bishops of an earlier generation” who were, and are, the problem. Many bishops sitting today have been accused, as they were reminded last November in the USCCB meeting that Cardinal Cupich successfully shut down. Where’s the justice? Why are they exempt?
Let’s “move on,” and avoid the “Rabbit Hole” (which is actually the Memory Hole)?
We cannot successfully “move forward” without “looking backward” – with the cold eye of truth, transparency, accountability, and justice.
Many Prelates are undoubtedly opposed to that necessity. They are in denial, but their number is apparently legion, both here and abroad, and concentrated in the Vatican.
Because the USCCB wants to act “united,” this faction’s objection to transparency, accountability, and justice will prevail. They will never allow a full and honest investigation of anything.
The rot will remain.
I’ll tell you why I’m staying in the Church: because it’s the only Church founded by Christ to save sinners, and I’m one.
As far as our sellout bishops? I am fond of the observation of Professor Peter Kreeft:
“Judas was the first bishop to take a government grant.”
Pray for Holy Mother Church and her wayward sons.
This article is a complete fail.
There is one and only one reason to be Catholic: The Catholic Faith is true.
No where in this article does Shaw even mention truth. Attempting to justify staying based on the actions of men is absurd. Obviously, Shaw spent too many years as a spin doctor for the NCCB.
You make a very good point. “Lord, to whom should we go?” John 6:68. Not a word about it.
I remain in the Church, just not in the Novus Ordo Liberal Modernist Church of Vatican 2 . In 1997 we left our local parish and went to Detroit to the nearest SSPX Chapel and have never looked back. 22 years and still there. Maybe Rome will return to the Church sometime soon. One can only hope.
Russell, the archbishop of St. Louis is retiring soon, he who reportedly advised chancery officials in trials in abuse cases in St. Cloud diocese to just say “I don’t remember” regardless the question. He also used that response himself in depositions for cases in Minneapolis. Before the Vatican simply announces who our new one is to be, do Catholics in St. Louis have any channels to demand that the announcement of the new archbishop comes with a full report on any and all dealings with clergy abuse or sexual scandals, in fact any cases of criminal acts by anyone he had authority over, as well as sworn testimony from him about when he first heard anything about the notorious activities of exCardinal McCarrick. Do we have a right under canon law to demand a full account from the Vatican on what they know about the man who may head our archdiocese for years to come?
The short answer is no. The process is under Pontifical Secret within the control of the Church establishment which makes the inquiries, not the other way around. The laity–indeed anyone outside the candidate in question, including clergy or prelates who are not part of the vetting process–have no say in the matter. Now if there were an Episcopal or Lutheran setting, that might be a different story.
I agree with much of what Mr. Shaw has written. There are problems in our Church which immediately and efficiently must be addressed. I will never leave my faith; there are too many reasons and people why I won’t. Unfortunately, many others can only look at the bad and rely on that for a reason to miss the beauty and strength of the Catholic church.
No, the church in the west has not made enormous stride against clergy sex abuse sir and the summit by Pope Francis was evasive and finger-pointing, give me a break. Pope Francis put some of the blame on families. Church heirachy has a moral obligation to protect its children and the church heirachy are not taking very seriously the sex abuse of children. They must (seriously) cleanse the church of homosexuals and molesters now.
We stay in the Church in order to have confident access to the sacraments. Providentially, we can draw from our history of a millennium and a half ago…
Back then the Donatists heresy flourished in North Africa. The Donatists held that clerics who had caved to (torturous) persecution had lost their sacramental role, and that their celebration of the sacraments was not valid.
The Donatists persisted from the middle of the 4th century in St. Augustine’s time, and then lingered until the 8th century when Islam swept across all of North Africa and all of the-some 250 bishoprics in North Africa disappeared altogether. (Sound modern?)
The Donatist tactic was to establish parallel diocese within most of the Catholic dioceses. (Again, modern?) Of this general period one fairly recent Islamic apologist (Maulani Muhammed Ali, 1924) reported: “In short, Christianity—last of the revealed religions of the world—was practically defunct. It had lost all driving force towards moral reform.” (Again, modern?)
Along the way Donatism was refuted, and mostly suppressed, largely with the help of the disintegrating Roman Empire. The upshot is that regardless of clerical apostasies, the ordinations remain intact and the sacraments received from even betraying hands remain valid. (The silver lining for today.)
THIS is the reason for remaining in the Catholic Church. It’s about reliable access to the sacramental REAL PRESENCE (CCC 1374: “body and blood, [AND] soul and divinity”). We are free to indwell (always today) the divine interior life of the Trinity, just as that divine life comes to indwell each of us.
So, the gates of hell—-moral gangrene, the smoke of Satan, clericalist evasion and double-speak-—will not prevail.
In the meantime while we in the pews wait for a resolution to the Church’s homosexualist issues and for a time when we can face a confessor with a lot more confidence of his orthodoxy and being straight, we’re still left with what seems like a political civil war split with the hierarchy clearly on the extreme left of us, while at the same time burning more and more incense including talk of “unleashing the gospel” of course the NAB version
The foundation of the church is still the same even if the current institution leadership (Pope, Cardinals, Bishops) looks corrupt and unable to examine its conscious in a full and meaningful way to get to the root of the problems. Ignoring an examination of homosexuality impact on the abuse crisis (both minors and seminarians). Ignoring accountability for past decisions of leadership that let the abuse fester and grow. Many in leadership do not want to hurt any feelings it appears.
Thanks, Charles. But I recall being told by good source that so-called priests councils are sometimes extensively consulted but they also must pledge secrecy. Didn’t mean to imply I was asking from Lutheran or Anglican bias. Jim
I’m wondering exactly what the author Russell Shaw means by a “homosexual witch-hunt”. Does he think unrepentant and practicing homosexuals should remain in the priesthood?
Fred, this is what is meant by “homosexual witch-hunt”. Assume by some miracle you were declared to be the Pope starting tomorrow. How exactly, Pope Fred, would you go about identifying and eliminating homosexuals from the clergy?
Neither identifying them nor eliminating them would be particularly difficult. The problem is a lack of will to do the right thing.
Yes our very spiritual life depends on the sacraments. Keep your money and gripe all you want but if you stay away from the sacraments you are just killing yourself. Is your charity (love of God) that strong that you do not need this source of grace He gave us? This is a temptation of the devil to lead you away from the true Church. Stay with your parish and start a Eucharistic Adoration chapel and be the most fervent one to use it.
M. Virginia
Catholic means universal and in my personal view could be used to broaden the meaning of the word Church to include the Eastern Orthodox founded by t Apostles in Antioch AD 37 and have Apostolic succession while their Sacraments are recognized as valid and hold on to tradition for dear life with a recognition of the Pope as first in honor only and all bishops as equal, that is to say they recognize the Pope in all but the Juridical power he has claimed for himself and so in essence there is another valid and worthy path to follow Christ even more fully as the early Christians did where most Churches were independent relying solely on local bishops. They are of course not without their own problems which usually are matters of geographical differences, Patriarchal squabbles involving power but not so much juridical power as changes in the Eastern Churches can only be made by agreement of all the bishops and patriarchs accepting and ratifying same and with each country or group of countries being autonomous there are no where near the problems found in the West with modernity and radical trashing of traditions via Vat. II being the most obvious along with the sexual scandals that followed with the 60 s sexual revolutions. Bottom line is you can make a change and still be Catholic, traditional and with valid Sacraments without the corruption and scandals that come from abuse of power so dominating the Western Church.