Pope Leo XIV walks in the corridor of the third loggia of the Apostolic Palace, where the papal apartment is located, on May 12, 2025, in Vatican City. (Credit: Vatican Media/Vatican Pool/Getty Images)
Vatican City, May 15, 2025 / 10:00 am (CNA).
Pope Leo XIV is expected to move into the official papal residence, an apartment on the top floor of the Apostolic Palace, departing from the living arrangements used by Pope Francis for 12 years.
The papal apartment, which is a series of rooms wrapping around the Vatican’s Sixtus V Courtyard, was the traditional home of pontiffs for over a century before Pope Francis eschewed those living quarters for a suite in the Vatican’s guesthouse, the Casa Santa Marta.
Pope Francis explained his decision as “a need to live my life with others” in a 2013 interview. The late pope said the papal apartment is “old, tastefully decorated and large, but not luxurious.”
Francis’ choice of living space was commonly interpreted as a sign of his simplicity and rejection of papal pomp, though U.S. Jesuit Father James Martin said Leo’s expected move into the papal apartment was a prudent decision.
Martin called it understandable that Leo might move back into the Apostolic Palace, given the busy and crowded nature of the Vatican guesthouse compared with the privacy of the papal apartment.
“Leo’s move should not be taken as a sign either of a critique of Pope Francis (whom he has praised repeatedly and whose legacy he formally told the cardinals he wishes to continue) or as him not living ‘simply,’” the author wrote on X.
Since I’ve already been asked this several times today, I think it’s perfectly understandable that Pope Leo would want to move back into the Apostolic Palace. As much as I loved and admired Pope Francis, I myself wouldn’t want to live in Casa Santa Marta, a guest house, for years…
Pope Francis lived in a second-floor bedroom with a sitting room attached but would go frequently to the Apostolic Palace for meetings and audiences. Toward the end of his pontificate, he would also receive visitors in various meeting rooms of the guesthouse.
According to people who have been there, the Santa Marta guesthouse posed significant security challenges, and when the pope made it his official residence after his 2013 election, a section of the second floor was closed to guests for security.
The quarters in the Apostolic Palace include a chapel, bedroom and bathroom, papal study, office for the pope’s secretary, a living room, dining room, kitchen, and library for meetings. Since John Paul II’s pontificate, which ended in illness, the apartment has also included an outfitted medical suite that was later expanded to include dental equipment. There is also a roof garden and rooms for housekeeping staff.
The Apostolic Palace is a large building situated just to the northeast of St. Peter’s Basilica, inside Vatican City. One corner of the building overlooks St. Peter’s Square.
Besides the papal apartment, the Apostolic Palace — also sometimes called the Palace of Sixtus V for the pope who had most of it built — contains Vatican offices, the Vatican library, and some of the rooms now part of the Vatican Museums.
Several of the windows of the papal apartment overlook St. Peter’s Square, including the window at which recent popes, including Pope Francis, would appear weekly on Sundays and holy days to pray the Angelus or Regina Caeli and give a brief reflection. On May 11, Pope Leo sang the Regina Caeli from the central loggia of St. Peter’s Basilica for the first time.
Following recent convention, the papal apartment will likely undergo some renovations and customization prior to Leo’s move-in. Since his election, the pope has been continuing to sleep in the Vatican apartment he used as prefect of the Dicastery for Bishops, which is in the Palazzo Sant’Uffizio, the building that also houses the offices of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith.
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Pope Francis with Cardinal Arthur Roche, Prefect of the Vatican’s Dicastery of Divine Worship and Discipline of Sacraments, at the consistory in St. Peter’s Basilica, Aug. 27, 2022 / Daniel Ibáñez / CNA
Rome Newsroom, Aug 27, 2022 / 08:31 am (CNA).
Pope Francis created 20 new cardinals for the Catholic Church during a liturgy in St. Peter’s Basilica Saturday.
“Jesus calls us by name; he looks us in the eye and he asks: Can I count on you?” Pope Francis said in a homily addressed to the College of Cardinals and its new members on Aug. 27.
“The Lord,” he said, “wants to bestow on us his own apostolic courage, his zeal for the salvation of every human being, without exception. He wants to share with us his magnanimity, his boundless and unconditional love, for his heart is afire with the mercy of the Father.”
The pope’s reflection followed a reading from the Gospel of Luke, chapter 12, verses 49-50: “In that time, Jesus said to his disciples: ‘I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished!’”
“The words of Jesus, in the very middle of the Gospel of Luke, pierce us like an arrow,” Francis said.
“The Lord calls us once more to follow him along the path of his mission,” he said. “A fiery mission – like that of Elijah – not only for what he came to accomplish but also for how he accomplished it. And to us who in the Church have been chosen from among the people for a ministry of particular service, it is as if Jesus is handing us a lighted torch and telling us: ‘Take this; as the Father has sent me so I now send you.’”
The pope ended his homily mentioning that one cardinal-elect, Richard Kuuia Baawobr of Wa (Ghana), was not present. Francis asked for prayers for the African prelate, explaining Baawobr had been taken ill.
At the beginning of the consistory, Pope Francis pronounced the opening prayer of the ceremony in Latin.
During the ceremony, the new cardinals made a profession of faith by reciting the Creed. They then pronounced an oath of fidelity and obedience to the pope and his successors.
Each cardinal then approached Pope Francis, kneeling before him to receive the red birretta, the cardinal’s ring, and a document naming the titular church he has been assigned.
Pope Francis embraced each new cardinal, saying to him: “Pax Domini sit semper tecum,” which is Latin for “the peace of the Lord be with you always.” Each cardinal responded: “Amen.”
The new cardinals also exchanged a sign of peace with a number of the members of the College of Cardinals, representative of the whole college.
While placing the red biretta on the head of each cardinal, the pope recited these words: “To the glory of almighty God and the honor of the Apostolic See, receive the scarlet biretta as a sign of the dignity of the cardinalate, signifying your readiness to act with courage, even to the shedding of your blood, for the increase of the Christian faith, for the peace and tranquility of the people of God and for the freedom and growth of the Holy Roman Church.”
As he gave each new cardinal the ring, Francis said: “Receive this ring from the hand of Peter and know that, with the love of the Prince of the Apostles, your love for the Church is strengthened.”
In his homily, the pope said: “The Lord wants to bestow on us his own apostolic courage, his zeal for the salvation of every human being, without exception. He wants to share with us his magnanimity, his boundless and unconditional love, for his heart is afire with the mercy of the Father.”
He also recalled another kind of fire, that of charcoal. “This fire,” he said, “burns in a particular way in the prayer of adoration, when we silently stand before the Eucharist and bask in the humble, discreet and hidden presence of the Lord. Like that charcoal fire, his presence becomes warmth and nourishment for our daily life.”
“A Cardinal loves the Church, always with that same spiritual fire, whether dealing with great questions or handling everyday problems, with the powerful of this world or those ordinary people who are great in God’s eyes,” he said.
The pope named three men as examples for the cardinals to follow: Saint Charles de Foucauld, Cardinal Agostino Casaroli, and Cardinal Van Thuân.
The consistory to create cardinals also included a greeting and thank you to Pope Francis, expressed by Cardinal Arthur Roche, prefect of the liturgy dicastery, on behalf of all the new cardinals.
Cardinal Arthur Roche speaking on behalf of the new cardinals in St. Peter’s Basilica, Aug. 27. 2022. Daniel Ibáñez / CNA
“All of us, coming from different parts of the world, with our personal stories and different life situations, carry out our ministry in the vineyard of the Lord. As diocesan and religious priests, we are at the service of preaching the Gospel in many different ways and in different cultures, but always united in the one faith and the one Church,” Roche said.
“Now, in manifesting your trust in us, you call us to this new service, in an even closer collaboration with your ministry, within the broad horizon of the universal Church,” he continued. “God knows the dust of which we are all made, and we know well that without Him we are capable of falling short.”
Roche quoted Saint Gregory the Great, who once wrote to a bishop: “We are all weak, but he is weakest of all who ignores his own weakness.”
“However, we draw strength from you, Holy Father,” he said, “from your witness, your spirit of service and your call to the entire Church to follow the Lord with greater fidelity; living the joy of the Gospel with discernment, courage and, above all, with an openness of heart that manifests itself in welcoming everyone, especially those who suffer the injustice of poverty that marginalizes, the suffering of pain that seeks a response of meaning, the violence of wars that turn brothers into enemies. We share with you the desire and commitment for communion in the Church.”
At the end of the consistory to create cardinals, Pope Francis convened a consistory for the cardinals to give their approval to the canonizations of Blessed Artemide Zatti and Giovanni Battista Scalabrini.
The new cardinals are:
— Cardinal Arthur Roche, 72, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and former Bishop of Leeds (England);
— Lazarus You Heung-sik, 70, prefect of the Congregation for Clergy and former Bishop of Daejeon (South Korea);
— Jean-Marc Noël Aveline, 63, Archbishop of Marseille, the first French diocesan bishop to get the honor during Pope Francis’ pontificate;
— Peter Ebere Okpaleke, 59, Bishop of Ekwulobia in the central region of Nigeria, who was created bishop in 2012 by Benedict XVI;
— Leonardo Ulrich Steiner, 77, Archbishop of Manaus, in Brazil’s Amazon region, a Franciscan who played a leading role during the Amazon Synod and as Vice President of the recently created Amazonian Bishops’ Conference;
— Filipe Neri António Sebastião do Rosário Ferrão, 69, Archbishop of Goa (India), appointed bishop by St. John Paul II in 1993;
— Robert McElroy, 68, Bishop of San Diego (United States), whose diocese is suffragan to the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, led by the President of the USCCB, Archbishop José Gomez;
— Virgilio do Carmo Da Silva, 68, a Salesian, since 2019 the Archbishop of Dili (East Timor);
— Oscar Cantoni, 71, Bishop of Como (Italy), appointed in January 2005 by St. John Paul II, who is suffragan to Milan;
— Archbishop Fernando Vérgez Alzaga, L.C., 77, president of the Governorate of the Vatican City State and of the Pontifical Commission for the Vatican City State; the Spaniard is the first Legionary of Christ to become a cardinal;
— Anthony Poola, 60, Archbishop of Hyderabad (India), a bishop since 2008 and the first dalit to become a cardinal;
–Paulo Cezar Costa, 54, Archbishop of Brasilia (Brazil), the fourth archbishop of the Brazilian capital to become a cardinal;
— Richard Kuuia Baawobr, 62, Bishop of Wa (Ghana), former Superior General of the White Fathers, and bishop since 2016;
— William Goh Seng Chye, 65, Archbishop of Singapore since 2013;
— Adalberto Martinez Flores, 71, Archbishop of Asunción (Paraguay) and the first Paraguayan cardinal;
— Giorgio Marengo, 47, Italian Missionary of the Consolata and Apostolic Prefect of Ulan Bator in Mongolia, the youngest cardinal in recent history, along with Karol Wojtyla, who also was created a cardinal at 47, during the consistory of June 26, 1967.
Furthermore, Pope Francis appointed the following prelates over the age of 80, who are therefore excluded from attending a future conclave.
Jorge Enrique Jiménez Carvajal, 80, Archbishop Emeritus of Cartagena (Colombia); Arrigo Miglio, 80, Archbishop Emeritus of Cagliari (Italy); Fr. Gianfranco Ghirlanda, a Jesuit and former rector of the Pontifical Gregorian University, who extensively collaborated in the drafting of the Apostolic Constitution Praedicate Evangelium; and Fortunato Frezza, 80, (Italy) currently a Canon at the Basilica of St. Peter, who collaborated for several years at the Secretariat General for the Synod of the Bishops.
Pope Francis had originally also nominated Ghent Bishop Luc Van Looy, 80, who later declined to accept the post because of criticism of his response to clergy abuse cases.
Can’t wait to see what the so-called MSM do with this news.
(Of course, Fr. Martin wasted no time getting in front of the expected – in view of the by-now-well-established – media interpretation).
Pope Leo is the head of a large organisation that needs to be managed snot hiding himself away in staff quarters. You wouldn’t expect the captain of a large ship to bunk down in the engine room because it makes him more “humble”. No the captain needs to be on the bridge guiding the ship. It is the the job he was appointed to do.
By what mentality is poster child James Martin asked what he thinks about Pope Leo’s “new digs”, just because Martin is American? Speaking more theologically, who the hell is James Martin, today?
I’m not sure if this is germane to the discussion, but when I read this I thought of when He commented about the ‘birds of sky etc.. have their homes but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”
Not sure what the intention of this is. Do you suggest the Pope do the same? Only Christ was the “Son of Man.” (Not trying to be snarky – tone of voice is not available in text, and I never thought emojis helped). Genuine question.
I guess it’s relevant that He also struggled with housing, starting out His earthly life with no housing. It is still Jesus’ church, right, with Leo taking Peter’s place?
There’s no underlying intent one way or another; I do hope the church returns to messaging “turn away from sin, and preach the Gospel,” along with their missionary work. I didn’t realize there was a large debt at the Vatican.
“…Pope Francis lived in a second-floor bedroom with a sitting room attached…”. This has been the Public Relations message by Francis’s Vatican for years.
The full story available from many sources is that Francis spent $1 Million Euros on re-doing the entire 2nd floor of Santa Marta for himself. Everything he spent that money on already existed at the Apostolic Palace 2 city blocks walk away from Santa Marta.
Many long term residents of the 2nd floor of Santa Marta were evicted in that process. They became homeless.
In addition, the Vatican spent undisclosed sums to the city of Rome to secure the street on the other side of the South Vatican Wall that Santa Marta sits next to. Again – the rooms at the Apostolic Palace were ready to go at no cost.
All that while the Church now sits with $2 Billion Debt plus $400 Million underfunded pension fund for the Vatican employees.
Lastly, I have a personal friend who had a brief stay at Santa Marta (which is in reality a 5-Star Hotel) while Francis lived there. He was instructed that you do NOT engage Francis in any way if you pass by him during your stay. He DID pass by Francis – just the 2 of them in a hallway or by an elevator or the like and he didn’t even get a nod from Francis acknowledging his existence. Very wierd. Only the smell of SOME OF the sheep mattered!
Hey Harry,
I too have read about the Santa Marta where Francis lived. Also, it was reported that the Apostolic Palace has that grand-sounding name, when in fact it is reputed to be cold and drafty, being made of stone, and actually without much updating to bring its utilities to qualify for a good standard of western living.
So much for Francis’ public image of poverty and humility–a warping of the real and true, marking and marring his pontificate.
Is anyone or anything stopping him from his rest? Had he ever been stopped at anything he wanted to do?
Lest we forget, here is the Church’s prayer for the dead:
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen..
Is anyone or anything stopping him from his rest? Had he ever been stopped at anything he wanted to do?
Lest we forget, the Church urges prayer for the dead, adding also a plenary indulgence.
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen..
James Martin SJ is consultor to the Vatican’s Dicastery for Communication. He unfortunately has a voice on what occurs. Now there’s a slew of Francis’ actors in place at the Vatican. If Pope Leo is expected to make the appropriate policy corrections, or let us say improvements, he will have to, one way or another deal with this crowd.
We’re all happy that Pope Leo will return to the papal apartment in the Apostolic Palace.
We should also hope that he will stay in the papal summer residence in Castel Gandolfo which Francis did not use.
It is a wonderful place for prayer, reflection and it provides a cool escape the oppressive heat of Rome in summer.
Re Harry above – As I see it, Fr. Martin was in a hurry to get ahead of the MSM before the facts get out and blow their 12-year narrative to smithereens.
Has Leo shown any sign of interest in living in Casa Santa Marta? He was filmed earlier this week walking around with Vatican staff and members of the Curia unsealing the rooms in the Papal apartments . He hasn’t moved in yet but it has been reported that repairs and renovations are undeway. Why wouldn’t he live there? Because Pope Francis thought it was too ostentatious for his humble tastes? I find it magnificent, even if it has the problems that most centuries-old buildings have. I would live there, LOL.
To me, Santa Marta looks like a waste of money that a cash-strapped Vatican cannot afford to maintain. Especially after reading Harry’s post above. The Apostolic Palace needs continual maintenance, but unless it is structurally unsound to the point of being dangerous, it is the appropriate place for the Pope to reside, and where the sense of contact with earlier Popes will be the strongest. Plus security (which has gotten very expensive) is probably easier and less costly to maintain than in a hotel patronized by visitors around the world.
As you say, the attempt to reinforce a narrative about Leo is underway. But the facts are getting in the way.
Mary E. above – I was actually referring to the 12-year media narrative about Pope Francis.
As I see it, Fr. Martin grasps that Pope Leo is being well-received (understatement) and it won’t work to criticize his implied shortcomings vis-a-vis Francis.
(I look forward to more entertainment from Fr. Martin!)
Thanks, yes I thnk I understand. (I gather that there has been an online debate this week about where Pope Leo should live, but without reference to what Leo is actually doing.)
The media must be struggling with the realization that, well, Francis, along with the narratives they built up around him, really is gone. He made their jobs easy. They will have a harder time under the new papacy. They msy have to think and do research, egads …
Some of the regular respondents to CWR speak so much about spirituality that they have become so inhuman in their comments about persons alive or dead who go against their whims!
Can’t wait to see what the so-called MSM do with this news.
(Of course, Fr. Martin wasted no time getting in front of the expected – in view of the by-now-well-established – media interpretation).
“U.S. Jesuit Father James Martin said Leo’s expected move into the papal apartment was a prudent decision.”
Perhaps Fr. James Martin S.J. could tell us what his thoughts are about what Pope Leo has had for breakfast since his election.
For certain, I’d be most grateful to be totally rid of Jesuits at the Vatican.
Laicizing James Martin, SCH immediately would also be a prudent decision. That would definitely send a message.
AMEN. Why is anyone reporting on anything that fr james martin says?
Pope Leo is the head of a large organisation that needs to be managed snot hiding himself away in staff quarters. You wouldn’t expect the captain of a large ship to bunk down in the engine room because it makes him more “humble”. No the captain needs to be on the bridge guiding the ship. It is the the job he was appointed to do.
By what mentality is poster child James Martin asked what he thinks about Pope Leo’s “new digs”, just because Martin is American? Speaking more theologically, who the hell is James Martin, today?
Peter: Excellent comment. Just who the hell IS James Martin?
I’m not sure if this is germane to the discussion, but when I read this I thought of when He commented about the ‘birds of sky etc.. have their homes but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”
Not sure what the intention of this is. Do you suggest the Pope do the same? Only Christ was the “Son of Man.” (Not trying to be snarky – tone of voice is not available in text, and I never thought emojis helped). Genuine question.
I guess it’s relevant that He also struggled with housing, starting out His earthly life with no housing. It is still Jesus’ church, right, with Leo taking Peter’s place?
There’s no underlying intent one way or another; I do hope the church returns to messaging “turn away from sin, and preach the Gospel,” along with their missionary work. I didn’t realize there was a large debt at the Vatican.
“…Pope Francis lived in a second-floor bedroom with a sitting room attached…”. This has been the Public Relations message by Francis’s Vatican for years.
The full story available from many sources is that Francis spent $1 Million Euros on re-doing the entire 2nd floor of Santa Marta for himself. Everything he spent that money on already existed at the Apostolic Palace 2 city blocks walk away from Santa Marta.
Many long term residents of the 2nd floor of Santa Marta were evicted in that process. They became homeless.
In addition, the Vatican spent undisclosed sums to the city of Rome to secure the street on the other side of the South Vatican Wall that Santa Marta sits next to. Again – the rooms at the Apostolic Palace were ready to go at no cost.
All that while the Church now sits with $2 Billion Debt plus $400 Million underfunded pension fund for the Vatican employees.
Lastly, I have a personal friend who had a brief stay at Santa Marta (which is in reality a 5-Star Hotel) while Francis lived there. He was instructed that you do NOT engage Francis in any way if you pass by him during your stay. He DID pass by Francis – just the 2 of them in a hallway or by an elevator or the like and he didn’t even get a nod from Francis acknowledging his existence. Very wierd. Only the smell of SOME OF the sheep mattered!
Hey Harry,
I too have read about the Santa Marta where Francis lived. Also, it was reported that the Apostolic Palace has that grand-sounding name, when in fact it is reputed to be cold and drafty, being made of stone, and actually without much updating to bring its utilities to qualify for a good standard of western living.
So much for Francis’ public image of poverty and humility–a warping of the real and true, marking and marring his pontificate.
Please, the man is dead, let him RIP.
Br. Jaques: but the ill effects of his papacy live on.
Is anyone or anything stopping him from his rest? Had he ever been stopped at anything he wanted to do?
Lest we forget, here is the Church’s prayer for the dead:
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen..
Is anyone or anything stopping him from his rest? Had he ever been stopped at anything he wanted to do?
Lest we forget, the Church urges prayer for the dead, adding also a plenary indulgence.
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen..
James Martin SJ is consultor to the Vatican’s Dicastery for Communication. He unfortunately has a voice on what occurs. Now there’s a slew of Francis’ actors in place at the Vatican. If Pope Leo is expected to make the appropriate policy corrections, or let us say improvements, he will have to, one way or another deal with this crowd.
We’re all happy that Pope Leo will return to the papal apartment in the Apostolic Palace.
We should also hope that he will stay in the papal summer residence in Castel Gandolfo which Francis did not use.
It is a wonderful place for prayer, reflection and it provides a cool escape the oppressive heat of Rome in summer.
“Leo’s move should not be taken as a sign either of a critique of Pope Francis …
See entry for whistling past the graveyard.
Re Harry above – As I see it, Fr. Martin was in a hurry to get ahead of the MSM before the facts get out and blow their 12-year narrative to smithereens.
Has Leo shown any sign of interest in living in Casa Santa Marta? He was filmed earlier this week walking around with Vatican staff and members of the Curia unsealing the rooms in the Papal apartments . He hasn’t moved in yet but it has been reported that repairs and renovations are undeway. Why wouldn’t he live there? Because Pope Francis thought it was too ostentatious for his humble tastes? I find it magnificent, even if it has the problems that most centuries-old buildings have. I would live there, LOL.
To me, Santa Marta looks like a waste of money that a cash-strapped Vatican cannot afford to maintain. Especially after reading Harry’s post above. The Apostolic Palace needs continual maintenance, but unless it is structurally unsound to the point of being dangerous, it is the appropriate place for the Pope to reside, and where the sense of contact with earlier Popes will be the strongest. Plus security (which has gotten very expensive) is probably easier and less costly to maintain than in a hotel patronized by visitors around the world.
As you say, the attempt to reinforce a narrative about Leo is underway. But the facts are getting in the way.
Mary E. above – I was actually referring to the 12-year media narrative about Pope Francis.
As I see it, Fr. Martin grasps that Pope Leo is being well-received (understatement) and it won’t work to criticize his implied shortcomings vis-a-vis Francis.
(I look forward to more entertainment from Fr. Martin!)
Cleo – I must disagree with you – I DON’T look forward to more entertainment from Fr. Martin.
Thanks, yes I thnk I understand. (I gather that there has been an online debate this week about where Pope Leo should live, but without reference to what Leo is actually doing.)
The media must be struggling with the realization that, well, Francis, along with the narratives they built up around him, really is gone. He made their jobs easy. They will have a harder time under the new papacy. They msy have to think and do research, egads …
And Fr. Martin always has his ear to the ground.
Your second paragraph is good. Investigative reporting is missing these days, even though it wasn’t perfect in the past.
Terence – What? Not enjoy watching Fr. Martin turn himself into a pretzel trying to unsay what he’s been saying lo these many years?
Your second paragraph is good. Investigative reporting is missing these days, even though it wasn’t perfect in the past.
Some of the regular respondents to CWR speak so much about spirituality that they have become so inhuman in their comments about persons alive or dead who go against their whims!