"You do advance your cunning more and more.
When truth kills truth, O devilish-holy fray!"
Helena, "Midsummer Night's Dream"
Lost in all of the
hoopla surrounding Pope Francis's 80-minute-long interview with
reporters, given while on the plane traveling to Rome from Rio de
Janeiro, is the short, secret interview that the pontiff gave to three
reporters afterwards. For the sake of secrecy and delicacy and all that
other important stuff, I'll simply refer to them as "A", "B", and "C".
do I know of this secret, short interview? My short answer: that's my
secret. The longer answer involves drones, leakers, bugs, and a bit of
imagination. Actually, more imagination than anything else as my budget
doesn't really allow for drones and I find leakers to be a bit awkward
Regardless, this the interview you've been waiting
for, if you've been waiting for a short, secret interview that cannot be
confirmed or confirmed. With that, let's get to the raw, highly edited
Pope: Oh, hey, A, B, and C. What are you doing at the papal bar?
A: Uh, well, we were, um, looking for some liquid refreshment, if you know what I mean.
Pope: (Smiles) Holy water, perhaps?
B: What's that?
C: I actually prefer Bud Lite, but don't tell my friends. They think I'm a pinot gris guy.
Pope: Relax, gentlemen. Have some mineral water. (Pours them each a glass in a "green" cup made of recycled homily notes.)
A: Can I ask a question?
(Grins) I don't know. Can you? Or do you mean, "May I ask you a
question?" (Laughs gently) Ah, I'm just giving you a bad time.
A: (Scratches head) Um. Can popes do that?
(Mutters) I think so. Benedict used to make fun of my Latin all of the
time. And I attended thirteen years of private Catholic schools.
Pope: Sure, sure; ask a question.
A: Why does the Catholic Church hate gay people?
Yeah, great question. I've wondered the same thing for years. Benedict
said the Church doesn't hate gays, but I never felt like he was sincere.
I'm pretty sensitive to sincerity.
Pope: Well, of course the Church doesn't hate gay people. I just spoke about that a few minutes ago.
A: But that's why I'm confused. Because you said that being gay isn't a problem at all. So
Pope: Well, no, I didn't say that. What I sa
B: So you do hate gays? Like, a lot? Or about that same amount as you hate women?
C: Good question! Now that's some tough journalism!
Pope: (Smiles patiently) I see you are pulling my leg. Of course, the Church recognizes the dignity of all people, and
Even Muslims? Because Benedict hated Muslims. He gave that speech in
Reagansville or whatever it was called, and said the guy who started
Islam was a serial killer and an Arabian pimp.
Pope: (Startled) What are you talking about? That's not wha
Yeah, I thought the pimp remark was pretty low, especially for a guy
who clearly hates Jews, puppies, and walks on the beach. But you, Frank,
seemed fine with the beach. Weren't you concerned that a party could
break out at any moment? I've heard that real Catholics don't believe in
Pope: (shakes his head slowly) Gentlemen, gentlemen;
I'm very surprised and saddened by these strange questions and
offensive remarks. I know you heard my lengthy remarks earlier.
Yeah. But I usually tune out after a few minutes. Besides, all of this
"God stuff" can be a bit heavy. Shouldn't the Church be more concerned
with being relevant? I mean, how are you going to attract young people
with all of this religious talk?
Pope: Uh, you did see the three million pilgrims, most of them very young, at the closing Mass, right?
A: (Laughs) Sure we did. But don't you think most of those people just wanted to be on television? That's why I was there.
Pope: No, I think they really wanted to worship God together and give a public witness to their faith.
But do you think they would have come if they knew you were going to
infallibly pronounce that Catholics should be gay and women should be
Pope: Good grief! What are you talking about?
C: I think "B" is just trying to get a straight answer, if you pardon the joke (laughs).
B: Say, I have a question: why do you fly on airplanes when the Catholic Church says science and technology are tools of Satan?
A: And why are you against the Vatican having a lobby decorated by gays?
At this point, Pope Francis politely excused himself.
That was rude. He didn't even seem interested in answering the tough
questions. And Catholics wonder why the Church is almost dead.
Exactly. He's just like Benedict. Ask him a simple, direct question and
he starts talking about "Herman Knuticks" or some such guy. I never
could figure it out. Say, is that a Coors Lite?
B: No, I think it's a candle.