Crookston, Minn., Sep 26, 2018 / 04:00 am (CNA).- In 1971, when Ron Vasek was 16 years old, a priest invited him to take a trip. The priest, Fr. Roger Grundhaus, was a family friend, and Ron’s parents supported the idea.
Fr. Grundhaus, a priest of the Diocese of Crookston, Minnesota, was going to a canon law convention in Columbus, Ohio. He said he wanted Vasek to come along to help with the drive.
Vasek had looked forward to the trip. “I’d never been off the farm, basically,” he told CNA.
Vasek said that on the first day of the trip, Grundhaus bought him a beer, and continued to buy him alcohol during the trip.
On the second day of the trip, Vasek recalled, Grundhaus attended meetings in the morning, and then spent time drinking with friends. He and Grundhaus went to dinner together in the hotel’s restaurant, where the priest continued to drink as they ate their meal.
After dinner, Vasek said, the priest sexually assaulted him in their hotel room.
Vasek told CNA he fought the priest off, and then “I just kinda stared at him and then he moved back away and never said anything, didn’t do a thing. And then a little later we went to bed and it was kind of uncomfortable, but I just didn’t know what to think of it.”
“I was 16 years old, off the farm, I didn’t have a clue what was going on,” he said.
“We left there, and we drove home like nothing happened, and he never, ever, ever, said anything to me about it, for a long time, and I kinda just buried it in the back of my head. I just didn’t know what to do.”
“I never said anything to my parents,” Vasek told CNA. “Ever.”
The next year Grundhaus invited him to attend another convention, and his parents, who knew nothing about the abuse, “thought it was a great idea.”
A blizzard stopped them along the way. There were no hotel rooms in the small town where they were stopped, but an armory had been opened as a makeshift shelter to accommodate stranded travelers. They spent the night in the armory along with families and other motorists stopped by the snow.
“So that was– I guess God was watching out for me.”
Grundhaus took him on one more trip, again with encouragement from his parents. The priest tried to get him to drink scotch, he said, but he refused, and was uncomfortable being there, although he said he was not assaulted on that trip.
A few years later, when Vasek’s brother died, Grundhaus grew closer to his family. “He became really an instrumental part of the family, because he counseled mom and dad. He was there all the time.”
Vasek told CNA that he never raised the issue of his assault with his family, although he saw Grundhaus frequently as he became an adult, as they often worked together on retreat teams and other ministry initiatives.
He told CNA the abuse took a heavy toll on his life. He said that he drank often, and struggled in other areas of his life.
“I didn’t know how much that abuse affected me until I can look back on it now with a clear mind.”
Vasek said that even while the abuse had a serious impact on him, he tried not to think about it often. In fact, he told CNA, “I just kind of quit thinking about it until one day, probably ten years ago.”
Vasek was in a parish sacristy during a retreat he was leading in 2008 when Grundhaus approached him, he told CNA.
He said that Grundhaus “said he wanted to apologize for what he did in Columbus, Ohio. And he said he went to confession for it. But he said, ‘if you need any help with anything, if you made bad business decisions or if you’re struggling with anything,’ he said, ‘I have money, I can help pay for therapy or I can help you out.’”
“You know, he kind of shocked me,” Vasek said. He didn’t understand why, after decades, “all of the sudden he’s apologizing. I just said ‘Ok, I accept your apology,’ and kind of just left it at that.”
Vasek said a few days later he went to the priest’s office, asking him to swear there had been no other victims. He said Grundhaus told him he hadn’t abused anyone else.
“And then he tells me, ‘if this ever comes up, I’ll always deny it.’”
Vasek had no idea how to respond to what Grundhaus told him. “I really struggled with that, but I didn’t say anything because of the family stuff.”
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In 2010, Vasek decided to say something. At the time, he had applied to become a deacon in the Diocese of Crookston, where he still lived. His son had just become a priest in the diocese.
He said he first told a priest in the neighboring Diocese of Fargo. That diocese forwared the allegation to Bishop Michael Hoeppner, Crookston’s bishop. Hoeppner then asked Vasek for an appointment.
(Vasek said this meeting took place in 2010, while the Diocese of Crookston claims it took place in 2011.)
“When I went into the bishop’s office, there was nobody there, it was just him and I.”
“So the bishop, he just kind of, he just chews on me for five minutes,” Vasek told CNA, saying that the bishop told him that Grundhaus was a great priest, and that a “claim” about the matter could be very expensive. After a while, Vasek recalled, the bishop asked him if he intended to make a formal complaint.
“By this time,” Vasek said, “I didn’t know what the hell to think. I just put my hands up and I said ‘I just want to know if I can get through the diaconate program, knowing this information.”
Vasek said that Hoeppner told him he believed the story, adding that he shouldn’t say anything about the matter.
Vasek told CNA he agreed to keep silent. “That was the first time I had revealed my abuse in 40 years, so I was still kind of numb.”
He began the diaconal program in the diocese soon after. He said his allegation did not come up again until October 2015.
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On Oct. 21, 2015, Vasek said he was summoned to meet with Bishop Hoeppner at the bishop’s home. There, he told CNA, Hoeppner told him to sign a letter recanting his allegation against Grundhaus.
He said the bishop explained that the Fargo diocese had inquired about Vasek’s 2010 allegation against Grundhaus, and intended to forbid the priest from exercising ministry within its territory.
“We want to have Grundhaus be able to do ministry,” Vasek said Hoeppner told him, “so we need to have you sign a letter recanting your allegation.”
The letter had already been printed on diocesan stationary.
Vasek said that Hoeppner asked him, “If news of the scandal of Grundhaus gets out, how could I ordain you? Who would want you? Where would I put you? And besides, it would be very difficult on your son.”
“When he said that, I knew exactly what he meant,” Vasek told CNA. “I was sickened. Absolutely sickened.”
Vasek signed the letter.
It read: “I, Ron Vasek, regarding a trip I was on when I was 16 years old, and on which a priest of the Diocese of Crookston was also participating, clearly and freely state that I have no desire to nor do I make any accusation of sexual impropriety by the priest toward me.”
In August of that year, months before that meeting, the diocese had been ordered by a court to release the names of all priests alleged to have abused children prior to 1985. A priest of the diocese told CNA that he believes Hoeppner asked Vasek to retract his claim in order to avoid naming Grundhaus on that list.
Vasek told CNA he was stunned.
He couldn’t believe what he had experienced. He had struggled for decades to grapple with the abuse he experienced. When he told his bishop about it, he was ordered to keep silent. And now he was being asked to deny it had ever happened.
It felt, he said, “like being abused all over again.”
He thought of words he says Hoeppner said to him in 2010: “This is a cross you’re just going to have to carry.”
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For two years, Vasek did not mention the letter to his wife or family.
In February 2017 Vasek’s pastor, Fr. Xavier Ilango, recommended him for ordination as a deacon. Vasek was measured for vestments. The Diocese of Crookston mailed invitations for its upcoming diaconal ordination; Vasek’s name was listed among those who would be ordained on June 10, 2017.
But in March 2017, Vasek told CNA, he was abruptly told that his ordination might be delayed by at least a year. With almost everything prepared, he was told his pastor had raised previously unmentioned concerns, and that even though he had already been approved, he might not be ordained with his class.
CNA has obtained a copy of a letter reportedly from Vasek’s pastor, which suggested that Vasek had strained relationships with some parishioners and needed to learn to take direction better. The letter, unsigned and undated, suggested that Vasek’s ordination could be delayed a year.
CNA attempted to contact Ilango, but was told by the Diocese of Crookston that he is on sabbatical. His parish bulletin reports that he traveled to India on July 1.
On April 6, 2017, Vasek and his wife met with Hoeppner, who told them he would give more thought to the possibility of Vasek’s ordination. He seemed non-committal.
Vasek told CNA he believed his ordination was being threatened as a reminder to keep silent about the abuse he had endured, and the letter he had signed.
Vasek decided he had had enough. He decided that he could not trust Hoeppner, and could not promise to be obedient to him, which would be required at the time of his ordination. He told his story to two priests of the diocese, Fr. Robert Schreiner and Msgr. David Baumgartner.
Schreiner told CNA that he remembers Vasek saying to him, “I’ve been abused for 41 years, and now I’m still being abused.”
Schreiner and Vasek had been friends for decades. He described Vasek as a man of “integrity and honesty.” Although he was director of the diocesan diaconal program, and had previously been Hoeppner’s chancellor, he resolved to help.
Baumgartner, a canon lawyer who had previously been Hoeppner’s vicar general- the chief advisor to the bishop- also decided that he would do whatever he could to help Vasek.
Both priests told CNA they believed that Hoeppner had forced Vasek to sign the 2015 letter, and both believed that the bishop was unjustly punishing and threatening Vasek in 2017.
“I believed him,” Schreiner told Minnesota Public Radio in 2017.
“As the account unfolded with each horrifying revelation and event and name, my heart would sink lower and my mind would flinch, not wanting to believe it. But at no point during his testament that night, nor since, did my intuition click with the thought that ‘that doesn’t ring true’ or ‘that just doesn’t sound right.'”
In fact, CNA spoke with several priests and former diocesan employees in the Diocese of Crookston; none questioned the integrity of Vasek’s story.
“This was bad on so many levels,” Schreiner told CNA.
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Baumgartner told CNA that Vasek wanted to address Hoeppner’s conduct with Church authorities. Vasek hoped he could still be ordained a deacon.
But Baumgartner, Schreiner, and Vasek were uncertain how to make a complaint against their own bishop. After prayer, they decided to try the apostolic nunciature- the Vatican embassy in Washington, DC.
Baumgartner told CNA that he called the apostolic nunciature in March 2017, asking for direction about how to proceed. He said that initially, the nuncio’s office seemed “eager to get to the know the story,” and promised to provide him soon with further instructions.
He said that after weeks passed with no response, he called the nunciature again in early April, and was surprised when a staffer told him that he should not make any accusation unless he had “solid proof.”
“The attitude of the nunciature changed,” Baumgartner said. “They went from being eager to help to saying that we can’t do anything unless we had proof.”
After that conversation, Baumgartner told CNA, he decided the Vatican was unlikely to respond quickly.
“Ron’s ordination was pending. I presumed that the fact that this was a man called to orders mattered, and that the Holy See would respond appropriately, given the timeline that we found ourselves in. That expectation was completely unfounded on my part.”
“We don’t have proof,” Baumgartner added. “We have a story. But we wanted the Church to investigate that story.”
Baumgartner sent a letter to the nunciature explaining the allegation against Hoeppner on April 11, 2017. He asked for advice about how to proceed. Then he waited for a response.
In the meantime, Vasek sent a letter directly to Hoeppner, on April 29, 2017.
“It is my deepest desire to serve in the Diocese of Crookston as a deacon,” Vasek wrote.
“In October of 2015, you asked me to sign a letter to renounce my accusation of sexual abuse against Msgr. Roger Grundhaus….Before I signed it I declared to you that the letter was a lie, and you determined that I should sign it.”
“I renounce that letter as a lie,” Vasek added.
“In another conversation, you asked if I intended to file a law suit regarding my sexual abuse. I would like you to know that I retain the right to seek justice in this matter by legal and canonical means.”
Vasek doubted that he would ever be ordained a deacon in Crookston after that letter was sent. But he wanted the truth to come out.
On May 13, 2017, Baumgartner sent packets to several Vatican offices, including the Congregation for Bishops and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formally alleging misconduct on the part of Hoeppner. He reports that he received a response to those complaints in late June of that year, when the nunciature wrote to him, saying that his complaint to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had been forwarded to the Congregation for Clergy. The letter offered no other information.
“Msgr. Baumgartner sent letters to four offices of the Vatican,” Vasek told CNA.
“The only that happened was that the nuncio told Bishop Hoeppner to investigate Grundhaus,” Vasek said, adding that there was no acknowledgement of the complaint about Hoeppner.
Vasek was looking for justice. By the time the Vatican responded to say his complaint had been transferred from one office to another, Vasek had already begun a different process.
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On May 9, Vasek sued Bishop Hoeppner and the Diocese of Crookston. On the same day, Grundhaus was suspended from ministry.
If he’d felt that Church authorities would work toward justice, Vasek would not have sued, several sources told CNA.
“Our preference was to have the Church respond,” Baumgartner said. But when the nunciature did not seem willing to respond quickly, they decided to proceed with a lawsuit.
The lawsuit is a controversial matter for many sources CNA spoke with. Vasek’s lawyer is Jeffrey Anderson, a Minnesota attorney who has led litigation against dioceses in several states, and advocated for changes to statutes of limitation for clergy sexual abuse victims. Critics have called Anderson an opportunist, and argued that his tactics have aimed to bankrupt the Church even when dioceses are willing to help victims of sexual abuse, all while he has collected attorney’s fees for his work.
Anderson has also been accused of paying kickbacks to victims’ advocacy groups that refer potential clients to him, although he denies that allegation.
Vasek was unsure about Anderson. So were his friends. The priests had worked in the curia while Anderson sued their own diocese. But they said that no other qualified lawyer would take their case.
CNA attempted to contact two law firms Vasek says he approached. One said it would not comment on clients or potential clients, and the other did not respond to requests for comment.
Schreiner said Vasek reluctantly went to Anderson, and was clear from the beginning that he did not want his lawsuit to harm the Church. He said Vasek insisted he wanted justice, and for the truth to come out.
Some aspects of the lawsuit have been settled. The letter Vasek signed was returned to him, after being recovered from the diocese by Crookston police.
Vasek also reached a financial settlement with the diocese, the amount of which is undisclosed. He told CNA the settlement was modest, and that he would save it for his retirement.
Other parts of the lawsuit continue, some of which pertain to Grundhaus himself, and the abuse Vasek alleges took place in 1971. Some have to do with the diocesan response to abuse.
The goal of the lawsuit, Vasek emphasized, “is to get to the truth.”
“The money means crap to me,” he said. “I want the truth to come out.”
“To expose these guys for covering up an abuse that happened. The bishop has admitted breaking the rules that Pope Francis laid down,” Vasek said.
“And just to clean up the diocese, period.”
“The homosexual subculture of the priesthood is well and vibrant in this diocese and has been for years,” Vasek said. “That culture has been in our diocese for a long time.”
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Vasek and his supporters told CNA they hoped that Church authorities would intervene to help with the situation, even after the lawsuit was underway.
On March 28, 2018, a year after Ron Vasek’s ordination was delayed, his son Fr. Craig Vasek, sent a letter to the president of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors, Cardinal Sean O’Malley.
CNA obtained a copy of that letter.
Fr. Vasek, who declined to be interviewed for this story, wrote that Hoeppner was “prepared to do anything…to avoid addressing this matter.”
“All we want is the truth,” Fr. Vasek wrote, adding that “if you give me the chance, you can be the judge of our situation.”
“To be fair, we are pursuing the regular course of action, but the systems in place are not going to help,” he wrote.
“I am writing to you because you are good, trustworthy, and just. And we are in grave need, now.”
The priest asked O’Malley for a brief meeting, offering to fly to Boston, or arrange a phone call or video conference.
On May 2, 2018, the Archdiocese of Boston sent Fr. Vasek a reply to his letter.
“We are sorry to know of the difficulties currently presented to you, your family, and the Diocese of Crookston. Although the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors, of which Cardinal O’Malley serves as President, does not have oversights or jurisdiction for any allegations or cases concerning sexual abuse by clergy, we are aware that these are very difficult matters.”
“Thank you for understanding that with regard to any matters concerning clergy personnel in the Diocese of Crookston or any civil or canonical complaints concerning the diocese, we must necessarily respect the jurisdiction and oversight of the Diocesan Bishop and those diocesan officials appointed to assist with such matters. We hope that this information may be helpful for you.”
The letter, which concluded with a promise of prayers, was signed by Fr. Robert Kickham, secretary to Cardinal O’Malley.
On Aug. 20, after reports surfaced about a 2015 letter sent to him by Fr. Boniface Ramsey, a priest concerned with the behavior of now-disgraced Archbishop Theodore McCarrick, O’Malley issued a public apology for failing to personally review Ramsey’s letter, and pledged to modify the procedures of his office.
A source in the Archdiocese of Boston told CNA that the cardinal’s office contacted Fr. Vasek shortly after that apology was issued, inviting the priest to meet with O’Malley.
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CNA requested to interview Hoeppner, but the Diocese of Crookston declined that request. Instead, CNA was referred to four statements released by the diocese.
The first statement, issued May 9, 2017, said that “Bishop Hoeppner categorically denies that he in any way forced, coerced or encouraged Mr. Vasek not to pursue his allegations regarding Msgr. Grundhaus.”
“Msgr. Vasek’s allegations of abuse regarding Msgr. Grundhaus were reported to law enforcement in 2011.” Multiple sources told CNA that it was the Fargo diocese, and not the Diocese of Crookston, that reported the allegations to law enforcement in that year.
The next statement, a May 14, 2017 letter addressed to Catholics in the Diocese of Crookston, reiterated Hoopner’s denial, adding that “there are two sides to every story and there is another, a very different side to the story reported last week.”
CNA supplied specific questions to the Diocese of Crookston, asking for the other side of the story, but the diocese declined to answer those questions.
The third statement, issued September 20, 2017, after the first aspects of the lawsuit were settled, said that the settlement reached “avoids costly attorney fees and a drawn out legal process. The settlement agreement does not constitute any admission of unlawful conduct or wrong doing by Bishop Hoeppner. No diocesan funds were used to pay the settlement. The Diocese is now seeking dismissal of the remaining claims related to this matter.”
The fourth statement, issued September 27, 2017, in Hoeppner’s name, said that the bishop “did not pressure Mr. Vasek to remain quiet when we met in 2011 or when we met again in 2015. Mr. Vasek had indicated to me that he wanted the alleged incident to remain confidential. I attempted to abide by his wishes.”
“I was willing to ordain Mr. Vasek as a permanent deacon. He attended the final deacon formation weekend in late April, along with the other deacon candidates. Mr. Vasek chose not to be ordained for diaconal ministry. I respect his decision.”
“Looking back and knowing what I do now, I believe I would have handled my conversations with Mr. Vasek differently. However, please know that I did not pressure Mr. Vasek into making any decision with which he was not comfortable,” Hoeppner’s statement added.
“I continue to pray for all those involved in this matter. No one should ever be subject to inappropriate sexual conduct. I ask all Catholics and people of good will to pray for healing for all those who have suffered abuse.”
CNA was unable to reach Grundhaus.
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Hoeppner, 69, was ordained a priest by Pope Paul VI in 1975, after studies at the Pontifical North American College. After earning a licentiate in canon law, and serving as a teacher, educational administrator, and director of vocations, he became the Diocese of Winona’s judicial vicar in 1988, and the vicar general of that diocese in 1997.
He was appointed Bishop of Crookston Sept. 28, 2007.
On Aug. 22, after the release of a Pennsylvania grand jury report detailing sexual abuse in six dioceses of that state, Hoeppner wrote in a pastoral letter that “All victims are owed sincere apologies for what those entrusted with leadership in the Church have done and have failed to do.”
“It is important that we promise to continue, with renewed effort, our commitment to build in the Church, as Pope Francis puts it, ‘a culture of care that says `never again’ to any form of abuse.’”
“Changes are necessary so that sins and failures of the past are not repeated,” he added.
CNA contacted the press office of the Holy See for comment on the status of any canonical investigation against Hoeppner, but received no response before press time.
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Vasek told CNA that, through everything he has experienced, his faith has not been shaken.
“I know that these men are not what Christ envisioned for his Church. Judas betrayed the Lord. People will betray the Lord all the time. I know what the Church teaches.”
“I encourage people to keep going to Church,” Vasek added.
“I tell everybody, don’t leave the Church because of these rotten men. That’s just what the devil wants. The devil wants to destroy from within. I say keep going to Church. Keep up with the sacraments. Keep praying. Because Christ’s Church is good. Some of the men in it aren’t.”
“I know who Christ is. He hasn’t done anything to me, other than give me hope.”
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Bishop Thomas Paprocki ought to be Cardinal Cupich’s inevitable successor.
This is a very simple matter.
Cupich is not Catholic.
He’s not Christian.
He serves the unholy spirit, the ratfaced angel of death.
The Democratic Party is the ratfaced one’s personal cult of death.
Democrats — and their odious supplicants in the hierarchy of the Church — have the blood of 70 million American children on their hands.
It is thanks to them that abortion causes more deaths in the world than the next two causes combined.
And Cupich tells us that this isn’t as big a deal as the need to open our borders to drug smugglers and child traffickers and terrorists.
Meanwhile, Pope Leo is nowhere to be seen.
brineyman, I’m in total agreement. I think he’s a weak, effeminate male who gets off on throwing his ecclesial weight around. I doubt very much whether at his death 100,000 Catholics will gather to memorialize him and another one million view the proceedings online. He gives Catholicism a bad name and an excuse for somone NOT to enter the Church. The blood of aborted babies drips from his hands. God is not going to be made a fool of by the likes of him. He’s a disgrace.
Brineyman: I’ve a few more rocks, if you’d like to borrow them! 🥴
Frère Jacques!
Faced with nearly a million children slaughtered each year in America, and some 43 million more around the world, you’re objecting that I am being too harsh in my comments about their murderers?
Right.
Not arguing with that at all, but there are bad Catholics and bad Christians.
And all bad Catholics are bad Christians!
No need. All we have to do is pick up the rocks that hit us during the Franciscus pontificate.
Yah, know what you mean, but he took his fair share as well! 🤭
Br. Jaques, unfortunately with all the corrupt bishops we have, there simply are not enough rocks to go around.
Gee whiz, brineyman, why don’t you quit beating around the bush and just say what you mean?
As the one who branded abortion as a “rabbit hole” issue, Cardinal Cupich should know that when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
SJW’s always lie
SJW’s always double down.
“did not consult with me about this award or even notify me about his decision”
So much for that collegiality thing.
I suspect Cupich, being the angry narcissist that he strikes me as, thinks he’s right about everything, can do whatever he pleases, owes no explanation to anyone and answers to no one. The rude awakening will come when he finally learns that he is answerable to God. In that regard, I wonder if he has a confessor and just how often he avails himself of the Sacrament of Penance. I happen to think that Cardinal Sarah would be a good confessor for Cupich.
As the Veil is being lifted, The Great Apostasy is being exposed.
Cardinal Cupich shows by his actions that the Church still needs to purge the evil yet rampant in it. I guess he didn’t hear the Words of Christ this past weekend that you can’t serve both God and Mammon
Francis should have accepted Blaise Cupich’s retirement in March, 2024. He is a disgrace to the Catholic Church. Perhaps the excommunication of Durbin should also include the not-good Cardinal.
More hot air. Given his dearth of reason he has no other means of expression.
Keep Hope Alive gala. Orwell would be proud.
The murdered unborn are alive with God. Are we prepared to face them forever?
This comes to mind:
“When the time comes, as it surely will, when we face that awesome moment, the final judgment, I’ve often thought, as Fulton Sheen wrote, that it is a terrible moment of loneliness. You have no advocates, you are there alone standing before God — and a terror will rip your soul like nothing you can imagine. But I really think that those in the pro-life movement will not be alone. I think there’ll be a chorus of voices that have never been heard in this world but are heard beautifully and clearly in the next world — and they will plead for everyone who has been in this movement. They will say to God, ‘Spare him, because he loved us!'”
Henry Hyde
Thank you dear Edward J Baker.
How very beautiful is truth.
This is a bright line issue with no nuance. Cardinal Cupich should know better, and Dick Durbin should refuse the award.
More proof that the “seamless garment” of Cardinal Bernardin is a sham. Senator Durbin did everything in his power to legislate the mass murder of children in the womb.
The US Bishops were not consecrated to be shills for a political party. This scandalous honor is not about “right” or “left” but right or wrong.
Thank God for Bishop Paprocki and Archbishop Cordileone. Where are the rest of
the bishops and cadinals?
I suspect that Cardinal Cupich, like many Francis appointees, likes an “in your
face” approach to conservative or traditional or faithful Catholics. He enjoys offending them. Francis too was at
war with these good people – hence the attacks on the Latin Mass and the Vatican
protection given to McCarrick, Rupnik, Zanchetta, etc.
How does this bring us closer to Christ?
Is an excommunication a diocesan thing?
Br. Jaques, could very well be.
This is why the Catholic Church is viewed as being less relevant in the modern world. We reduce moral actions to the “fine print” of legal residence and som bishops turn a blind eye to the very public evils committed by public officials while others call them out for it. Yes, confusing times for all of us.
All I can say is that Cardinal Cupich doesn’t have leg to stand on. His excuse to honor Senator Durbin is completely flawed. The unborn are the most precious and innocent in our society. Those that promote the killing of the unborn which is murder should not receive any honor from the Catholic Church. If Cupich does not understand this he’s not fit to be a Prince of the Church. It’s time to retire and as they say in Hollywood find another gig!