Bishop Eleganti: “The Pope’s silence is a classic non-denial!”
“The attempts to rewrite the traditional doctrine that regards homosexual acts as disordered in themselves,” says the Auxiliary Bishop of the Diocese of Chur, Switzerland, “and therefore forbids them, are conspicuous.”
Left: Bishop Marian Eleganti at World Youth Day celebration in April 2014, Berlin-Schöneberg, St. Matthias.(Liebermary/Wikipedia); right: Pope Francis responds to a question while aboard his flight from Dublin to Rome Aug. 26. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)
Editor’s note: The following Kath.net interview with Auxiliary Bishop Marian Eleganti, O.S.B., about the revelations by Archbishop Viganò, the Pope’s silence, and the alleged homosexual network in the Catholic Church was conducted by Roland Noe and published on the Kath.net site yesterday. Bishop Eleganti is Auxiliary Bishop of the Diocese of Chur, Switzerland.
Chur (kath.net/rn, August 30, 2018). “The attempts to rewrite the traditional doctrine that regards homosexual acts as disordered in themselves, and therefore forbids them, are conspicuous. Pope Francis is surrounded by cardinals and advisors who are headed in this direction.” So says the Auxiliary Bishop of Chur and former Jugendbischof of the (Catholic) Episcopal Conference of Switzerland [i.e. the bishop delegated to oversee programs for the pastoral care of young people] in this interview with kath.net.
Kath.net: The World Meeting of Families in Dublin was completely overshadowed by the topic of sexual abuse, and not just because of the revelations by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former Nuncio in Washington, D.C. Well, the Pope himself would like to say nothing about the accusations. What do you say about this?
Bp. Eleganti: The fact that Pope Francis does not want to say a single word about them is a classic non-denial. Lying, of course, is completely out of the question.
Kath.net: In Dublin in an EWTN interview you demanded an unsparing and independent investigation [Aufklärung = in this context “reconnaissance mission”] into the causes of the sexual abuse crisis and the cover-up, also with respect to the question about a “homosexual subculture” in the Church. One Swiss diocese attacked you in an incredible way in this connection. What do you say about this?
Bp. Eleganti: Anyone familiar with the ecclesiastical structures is not surprised by it. Concerning this matter I have several posts on my FaceBook page that respond to it. James Martin, speaking at the World Meeting of Families, called for the Church to equate homosexuality with heterosexuality to the fullest extent and to admit homosexuals to all ecclesiastical ministries and offices without further ado, although Pope Francis advises against accepting candidates with homosexual inclinations into the seminaries. The scandals and their hidden difficulties show that homosexual clerics, their friends and networks exist and are represented in the structures of the Church even at the highest level, among them certainly many clerics with homosexual inclinations who are living chaste and holy lives. But we hear about the others every day through the coverage of the sexual abuse cases.
Kath.net: In another interview with kath.ch [an online news service affiliated with the Episcopal Conference of Switzerland] you said that framing this issue merely as an issue of the abuse of authority or clericalism is another cover-up. Doesn’t Pope Francis, or at least one part of his entourage, advocate this view?
Bp. Eleganti: The issue is certainly complex. But one element of political correctness is what they consider the absolute dogma that sexual abuse and homosexuality must not be correlated; similarly, the possibility of changing a homosexual orientation must not even be considered or investigated. In contrast to this, paradoxically, gender theory claims that one’s sexual orientation can be chosen freely. Judith Butler, one of the most important pioneers of gender theory, is lesbian. To maintain that clericalism is the sole root of sexual abuse, and not to take into consideration sexual and emotional needs as well, and probably vices too, is from my perspective reductive reasoning and a classic case of denying reality, that is: purely ideological and interest-driven.
Pope Francis stirred up this wasp’s nest with an indiscreet but honest statement on the airplane from Dublin to Rome when he remarked that children with homosexual inclinations can be helped psychiatrically until the age of twenty. His spin doctors therefore immediately censored his statements in the written version of the interview and removed the obsolete word “psychiatry” and explained on Twitter that he was talking here about the general psychological counseling [literally: “accompaniment”] of those children. But obviously Francis was thinking about something else.
Kath.net: Should bishops who demonstrably have covered up cases of sexual abuse resign?
Bp. Eleganti: It is difficult to imagine that they will remain in office.
Kath.net: Is there currently a heated debate, not only in the United States, about a homosexual network in the Catholic Church? Do you consider it real, and are there indications that it is active in German-speaking countries (Switzerland, Germany, Austria)?
Bp. Eleganti: The attempts to rewrite the traditional doctrine that regards homosexual acts as disordered in themselves, and therefore forbids them, are conspicuous. Pope Francis is surrounded by cardinals and advisors who are headed in this direction and openly support James Martin, the most prominent champion for a change in the teaching to date about homosexuality. Some of them were appointed by Pope Francis himself, such as Cupich, Tobin, Farrell. The last-mentioned invited James Martin to Dublin. What happens at the head of the Church is multiplied in her body, and of course in our German-speaking countries, too. Indeed, Cardinal Marx and other German bishops have already speculated in public about blessing homosexual unions.
Kath.net: Thank you for the interview.
(Translated by Michael J. Miller.)
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Pope Francis at the general audience in St. Peter’s Square, Oct. 5, 2016. / Daniel Ibanez/CNA.
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Today marks the 10th anniversary of the election of Pope Francis as the 265th successor of St. Peter. Here is a timeline of key events during his papacy:
2013
March 13 — About two weeks after Pope Benedict XVI steps down from the papacy, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio is elected pope. He takes the papal name Francis in honor of St. Francis of Assisi and proclaims from the central balcony of St. Peter’s Basilica: “Let us begin this journey, the bishop and people, this journey of the Church of Rome, which presides in charity over all the Churches, a journey of brotherhood in love, of mutual trust. Let us always pray for one another.”
March 14 — The day after he begins his pontificate, Pope Francis returns to his hotel to personally pay his hotel bill and collect his luggage.
July 8 — Pope Francis visits Italy’s island of Lampedusa and meets with a group of 50 migrants, most of whom are young men from Somalia and Eritrea. The island, which is about 200 miles off the coast of Tunisia, is a common entry point for migrants who flee parts of Africa and the Middle East to enter Europe. This is the pope’s first pastoral visit outside of Rome and sets the stage for making reaching out to the peripheries a significant focus.
Pope Francis gives the Wednesday general audience in St. Peter’s Square on Oct. 2, 2013. . Elise Harris/CNA.
July 23–28 — Pope Francis visits Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to participate in World Youth Day 2013. More than 3 million people from around the world attend the event.
July 29 — On the return flight from Brazil, Pope Francis gives his first papal news conference and sparks controversy by saying “if a person is gay and seeks God and has goodwill, who am I to judge?” The phrase is prompted by a reporter asking the pope a question about priests who have homosexual attraction.
Nov. 24 — Pope Francis publishes his first apostolic exhortation Evangelii gaudium (The Joy of the Gospel). The document illustrates the pope’s vision for how to approach evangelization in the modern world.
2014
Feb. 22 — Pope Francis holds his first papal consistory to appoint 19 new cardinals, including ones from countries in the developing world that have never previously been represented in the College of Cardinals, such as Haiti.
March 22 — Pope Francis creates the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors. The commission works to protect the dignity of minors and vulnerable adults, such as the victims of sexual abuse.
Pope Francis greets pilgrims during his general audience on Nov. 29, 2014. Bohumil Petrik/CNA.
Oct. 5 — The Synod on the Family begins. The bishops discuss a variety of concerns, including single-parent homes, cohabitation, homosexual adoption of children, and interreligious marriages.
Dec. 6 — After facing some pushback for his efforts to reform the Roman Curia, Pope Francis discusses his opinion in an interview with La Nacion, an Argentine news outlet: “Resistance is now evident. And that is a good sign for me, getting the resistance out into the open, no stealthy mumbling when there is disagreement. It’s healthy to get things out into the open, it’s very healthy.”
2015
Jan. 18 — To conclude a trip to Asia, Pope Francis celebrates Mass in Manila, Philippines. Approximately 6 million to 7 million people attend the record-setting Mass, despite heavy rain.
March 23 — Pope Francis visits Naples, Italy, to show the Church’s commitment to helping the fight against corruption and organized crime in the city.
May 24 — To emphasize the Church’s mission to combat global warming and care for the environment, Pope Francis publishes the encyclical Laudato si’, which urges people to take care of the environment and encourages political action to address climate problems.
Pope Francis at a Wednesday general audience in St. Peter’s Square on June 17, 2015. Bohumil Petrik.
Sept. 19–22 — Pope Francis visits Cuba and meets with Fidel Castro in the first papal visit to the country since Pope John Paul II in 1998. During his homily, Francis discusses the dignity of the human person: “Being a Christian entails promoting the dignity of our brothers and sisters, fighting for it, living for it.”
Sept. 22–27 — After departing from Cuba, Pope Francis makes his first papal visit to the United States. In Washington, D.C., he speaks to a joint session of Congress, in which he urges lawmakers to work toward promoting the common good, and canonizes the Franciscan missionary St. Junípero Serra. He also attends the World Meeting of Families in Philadelphia, which focuses on celebrating the gift of the family.
Oct. 4 — Pope Francis begins the second Synod on the Family to address issues within the modern family, such as single-parent homes, cohabitation, poverty, and abuse.
Oct. 18 — The pope canonizes St. Louis Martin and St. Marie-Azélie “Zelie” Guérin. The married couple were parents to five nuns, including St. Therese of Lisieux. They are the first married couple to be canonized together.
Dec. 8 — Pope Francis’ Jubilee Year of Mercy begins. The year focuses on God’s mercy and forgiveness and people’s redemption from sin. The pope delegates certain priests in each diocese to be Missionaries of Mercy who have the authority to forgive sins that are usually reserved for the Holy See.
2016
March 19 — Pope Francis publishes the apostolic exhortation Amoris laetitia, which discusses a wide variety of issues facing the modern family based on discussions from the two synods on the family. The pope garners significant controversy from within the Church for comments he makes in Chapter 8 about Communion for the divorced and remarried.
April 16 — After visiting refugees on the Greek island of Lesbos, Pope Francis allows three Muslim refugee families to join him on his flight back to Rome. He says the move was not a political statement.
Pope Francis at the General Audience in St. Peter’s Square, Feb. 24, 2016. Daniel Ibanez/CNA.
July 26–31 — Pope Francis visits Krakow, Poland, as part of the World Youth Day festivities. About 3 million young Catholic pilgrims from around the world attend.
Sept. 4 — The pope canonizes St. Teresa of Calcutta, who is also known as Mother Teresa. The saint, a nun from Albania, dedicated her life to missionary and charity work, primarily in India.
Sept. 30–Oct. 2 — Pope Francis visits Georgia and Azerbaijan on his 16th trip outside of Rome since the start of his papacy. His trip focuses on Catholic relations with Orthodox Christians and Muslims.
Oct. 4 — Pope Francis makes a surprise visit to Amatrice, Italy, to pray for the victims of an earthquake in central Italy that killed nearly 300 people.
2017
May 12–13 — In another papal trip, Francis travels to Fatima, Portugal, to visit the Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima. May 13 marks the 100th anniversary of the first Marian apparition to three children in the city.
July 11 — Pope Francis adds another category of Christian life suitable for the consideration of sainthood: “offering of life.” The category is distinct from martyrdom, which only applies to someone who is killed for his or her faith. The new category applies to those who died prematurely through an offering of their life to God and neighbor.
Pope Francis greets a participant in the World Day of the Poor in Rome, Nov. 16, 2017. L’Osservatore Romano.
Nov. 19 — On the first-ever World Day of the Poor, Pope Francis eats lunch with 4,000 poor and people in need in Rome.
Nov. 27–Dec. 2 — In another trip to Asia, Pope Francis travels to Myanmar and Bangladesh. He visits landmarks and meets with government officials, Catholic clergy, and Buddhist monks. He also preaches the Gospel and promotes peace in the region.
2018
Jan. 15–21 — The pope takes another trip to Latin America, this time visiting Chile and Peru. The pontiff meets with government officials and members of the clergy while urging the faithful to remain close to the clergy and reject secularism. The Chilean visit leads to controversy over Chilean clergy sex abuse scandals.
Aug. 2 — The Vatican formally revises No. 2267 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which concerns the death penalty. The previous text suggested the death penalty could be permissible in certain circumstances, but the revision states that the death penalty is “inadmissible.”
Aug. 25 — Archbishop Carlo Viganò, former papal nuncio to the United States, publishes an 11-page letter calling for the resignation of Pope Francis and accusing him and other Vatican officials of covering up sexual abuse including allegations against former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. The pope initially does not directly respond to the letter, but nine months after its publication he denies having prior knowledge about McCarrick’s conduct.
Aug. 25–26 — Pope Francis visits Dublin, Ireland, to attend the World Meeting of Families. The theme is “the Gospel of family, joy for the world.”
Pope Francis at the 2018 World Meeting of Families in Ireland. . Daniel Ibanez/CNA.
Oct. 3–28 — The Synod on Young People, the Faith, and Vocational Discernment takes place. The synod focuses on best practices to teach the faith to young people and to help them discern God’s will.
2019
Jan. 22–27 — The third World Youth Day during Pope Francis’ pontificate takes place during these six days in Panama City, Panama. Young Catholics from around the world gather for the event, with approximately 3 million people in attendance.
Feb. 4 — Pope Francis signs a joint document in with Sheikh Ahmed el-Tayeb, the grand imam of Al-Azhar, in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, titled the “Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together.” The document focuses on people of different faiths uniting together to live peacefully and advance a culture of mutual respect.
Pope Francis and Ahmed el-Tayeb, grand imam of al-Azhar, signed a joint declaration on human fraternity during an interreligious meeting in Abu Dhabi, UAE, Feb. 4, 2019. Vatican Media.
Feb. 21–24 — The Meeting on the Protection of Minors in the Church, which is labeled the Vatican Sexual Abuse Summit, takes place. The meeting focuses on sexual abuse scandals in the Church and emphasizes responsibility, accountability, and transparency.
Oct. 6–27 — The Church holds the Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon region, which is also known as the Amazon Synod. The synod is meant to present ways in which the Church can better evangelize the Amazon region but leads to controversy when carved images of a pregnant Amazonian woman, referred to by the pope as Pachamama, are used in several events and displayed in a basilica near the Vatican.
Oct. 13 — St. John Henry Newman, an Anglican convert to Catholicism and a cardinal, is canonized by Pope Francis. Newman’s writings inspired Catholic student associations at nonreligious colleges and universities in the United States and other countries.
2020
March 15 — Pope Francis takes a walking pilgrimage in Rome to the chapel of the crucifix and prays for an end to the COVID-19 pandemic. The crucifix was carried through Rome during the plague of 1522.
March 27 — Pope Francis gives an extraordinary Urbi et Orbi blessing in an empty and rain-covered St. Peter’s Square, praying for the world during the coronavirus pandemic.
Pope Francis venerates the miraculous crucifix of San Marcello al Corso in St. Peter’s Square during his Urbi et Orbi blessing, March 27, 2020. Vatican Media.
2021
March 5–8 — In his first papal trip since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, Pope Francis becomes the first pope to visit Iraq. On his trip, he signs a joint statement with Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani condemning extremism and promoting peace.
July 3 — Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu, who was elevated to the College of Cardinals by Pope Francis, is indicted in a Vatican court for embezzlement, money laundering, and other crimes. The pope gives approval for the indictment.
July 4 — Pope Francis undergoes colon surgery for diverticulitis, a common condition in older people. The Vatican releases a statement that assures the pope “reacted well” to the surgery. Francis is released from the hospital after 10 days.
July 16 — Pope Francis issues a motu proprio titled Traditionis custodes. The document imposes heavy restrictions on the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass.
Dec. 2–6 — The pope travels to Cyprus and Greece. The trip includes another visit to the Greek island of Lesbos to meet with migrants.
Pope Francis greets His Beatitude Ieronymos II in Athens, Greece on Dec. 5, 2021. Vatican Media
2022
Jan. 11 — Pope Francis makes a surprise visit to a record store in Rome called StereoSound. The pope, who has an affinity for classical music, blesses the newly renovated store.
March 19 — The pope promulgates Praedicate evangelium, which reforms the Roman Curia. The reforms emphasize evangelization and establish more opportunities for the laity to be in leadership positions.
May 5 — Pope Francis is seen in a wheelchair for the first time in public and begins to use one more frequently. The pope has been suffering from knee problems for months.
Pope Francis greeted the crowd in a wheelchair at the end of his general audience on Aug. 3, 2022. Daniel Ibanez/CNA
July 24–30 — In his first papal visit to Canada, Pope Francis apologizes for the harsh treatment of the indigenous Canadians, saying many Christians and members of the Catholic Church were complicit.
2023
Jan. 31–Feb. 5 — Pope Francis travels to the Democratic Republic of Congo and South Sudan. During his visit, the pope condemns political violence in the countries and promotes peace. He also participates in an ecumenical prayer service with Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby and Moderator of the Church of Scotland Iain Greenshields.
Pope Francis in St. Peter’s Square, Sept. 28, 2022 / Pablo Esparza / CNA
Rome Newsroom, Dec 1, 2022 / 04:41 am (CNA).
Pope Francis has rescheduled his trip to the African countries of the Democratic Republic of Congo and South Sudan for Jan. 31-Feb. 5, 2023, the Vatican announced on Thursday.
The visit was originally to take place in the beginning of July 2022, but was postponed by the Vatican due to problems with Pope Francis’ knee. The 85-year-old pope apologized in June for having to put off the trip, and vowed to reschedule it “as soon as possible.”
Francis will spend the first leg of the trip, Jan. 31-Feb. 3, in the Congolese city of Kinshasa, before visiting the South Sudanese capital, Juba, Feb. 3-5.
An updated schedule released by the Vatican Dec. 1 showed that the pope no longer plans to visit the city of Goma in the Democratic Republic of Congo, part of the original trip schedule.
The logo and motto for the trip were announced in March 2022.
Francis’ visit to South Sudan will be a “pilgrimage of peace,” and take place together with the archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, and the moderator of the Church of Scotland, Iain Greenshields.
Pope Francis will be the first pope to visit South Sudan, which became the world’s newest country when it declared independence from the Republic of the Sudan on July 9, 2011. The nation in east-central Africa has a population of 11 million people, around 37% of whom are Catholic.
In 2019, Pope Francis brought South Sudanese leaders together at the Vatican for a “spiritual retreat” aimed at resolving their differences.
He also celebrated Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica for Congolese immigrants in 2019, marking the 25th anniversary of the foundation of the Congolese Catholic Chaplaincy of Rome.
The Democratic Republic of Congo is a Central African country of around 90 million people, roughly half of whom are Catholic. Pope John Paul II visited the country, then known as Zaire, in 1980.
After reluctantly bowing out of his own scheduled trip to Africa in July, Pope Francis sent the Vatican’s second-highest-ranking official in his place, Cardinal Pietro Parolin.
The pope also celebrated a Mass for Rome’s Congolese community in St. Peter’s Basilica on July 3, the day he was due to offer Mass in Kinshasa, the capital of the Democratic Republic of Congo.
It takes guts to speak out, so God bless him for doing also. Why am I put to mind of the Arian Controversy on the 4th Century? Because Martini et al, are Arians if not worse.
All but the most obtuse now realize that there has been a movement within the Church to normalize homosexuality, which is clearly a disorder, and to proclaim homosexual fornication is natural when it is clearly an unnatural depravity. In other words, rather than evangelize the world with the ancient truths of Christianity, there are those within the Church who want to accommodate the world’s rejection of God’s plan for human sexuality.
Vigano only confirmed what orthodox Catholics knew all along must be true: This unholy movement within the Church comes from the very top and is led by homosexual activists, aka “the lavender mafia.”
Vigano’s allegations are either true or they are not. It should be relatively simple for a reasonable, objective investigation to determine which is the case — unless Bergoglio blocks such an investigation, which will speak volumes; it will amount to a confession of guilt. And remember, is is Vigano who is saying the release of documents will verify his claims, not Bergoglio, who instead of immediately proclaiming his innocence and insisting that Church documents will demonstrate his innocence, made the following statement to the press when questioned about Vigano’s allegations:
I will respond to your question, but I would prefer last—first we speak about the trip, and then other topics. … I read the statement this morning, and I must tell you sincerely that, I must say this, to you and all those who are interested. Read the statement carefully and make your own judgment. I will not say a single word about this. I believe the statement speaks for itself. And you have the journalistic capacity to draw your own conclusions. It’s an act of faith. When some time passes and you have drawn your conclusions, I may speak. But, I would like your professional maturity to do the work for you. It will be good for you. That’s good.
John Waters, in an article on the First Things web site, translates Bergoglio’s strange remarks to the press this way:
Read the statement in the knowledge of the relationship you and I share: We are men and women of the world and like-minded on what is important. We know where we stand on matters like homosexuality and homosexual priests. But be careful how you handle this Viganò business – a wrong word could undo all we have achieved. I have faith in you to figure out who this man is. Do your work well and there will be no need for me to risk my position. Once you have defused the situation, I will deal with Viganò for the record. We are all adults here. I know I can count on you. I need your help on this, but we have an understanding that has worked well so far. Trust me.
That seems like a reasonable interpretation.
Waters’ remarks can be read in their entirety here:
V. Let us pray for Bishop Eleganti and all the bishops, especially the courageous ones.
R. May he and they stand and tend your flock in your strength, O Lord, in your sublime name.
On the silence of not saying a word–at his own trial Thomas More said it all: “…the maxim is ‘qui tacet consentire’. The maxim of the law is ‘silence gives consent.’ If, therefore, you wish to construe what my silence ‘betokened,’ you must construe that I consented, not that I denied” (as recounted in A Man for All Seasons).
The Holy Spirit through his “permissive will” allows certain people to be elected to positions of responsibility. The Holy Spirit does not handpick the Pope.
Think of a brief list of faithless Cardinals, Daneels, Mahoney, Kasper, Martini (R.I.P.), O’Brien, Marx, Schoenburg, Dolan, Tobin, Weurl, McCarrick, I could go on. These princes of the Church make up a significant part of the lead shepherds and none of them really hold the teaching of the Church. So these men, in dress up, in big houses preside over dioceses’, process in and out of Holy Mass blessing ( or waving) to (us) the peasants and all the time, they condescend hope we will continue in the belief that they share the faith.
Cat’s out of the bag fellas, you are two-faced patronising sycophants fluttering around this bad pope – in trying to (frantically) keep things together in your bunker mentality. The cat is out of the bag. You lot have held sway for far too many years, with your duplicitous lives.
Please go away now as your credibility ( and that of your pals in the Jesuit’s) is now at zero.
Almighty God have mercy on us all.
Dear Gerald,
The Holy Spirit guards the Church just like He nurtures and protects your soul, but free will remains, and God the Holy Spirit does not thwart the obstinate that reject God’s love, rather He allows them to go their way, to find out that they need Him if they are to live and survive. The baptized soul is still capable of sinning and a Pope is still capable of human error, he is only infallible in matters of faith and morals, and even though an obstinate ideologue can appear to be changing teaching, the reality is that so far only personal thoughts are being falsely reported as changes in teaching.
God bless,
tom
The Lavender Mafia in the Church has come out of the shadows and has grown much stronger and bolder over the last 100 years or so to the point that they are now ready to alter Catholic teaching on the vile sin of homosexuality.
If the Catholic Church ceases to fully teach the gospel of Christ, Our Lord and the Blessed Virgin Mary will no longer be able to hold back the arm of God’s justice.
We are on very thin ice here and we are rapidly running out of time.
Oh pooh,
If Gods arm of justice did not come down after Roe or the holocaust it will never come down.
Is not the vileness of abortion and the churches minimal response worse than this gay thing?
Hmmmm? He’s not coming.
You’ll see him when you transcend.
God bless.
The Holy Spirit through his “permissive will” allows certain people to be elected to positions of responsibility. The Holy Spirit does not handpick the Pope.
Well, Father Klovenbach did not speak out for nothin’. Klovenbach’s report did not mysteriously disappear for nothin’.
Something tells me this pope may well simply self-destruct, somehow, at some point and sooner rather than later.
Just guessin’, nothing more.
The pope has his close support from proponents of fr. Martin, and really it says alot and builds the case for Vigano and the truth…. Fatima prophecy before our eyes?
Interesting. I was one of those who did not want to acknowledge the homosexual tendencies within some in the priesthood as being relevant to the discussion around the tragedy of same sex sexual abuse by priests of young boys. But, this article made me suddenly realize that this is like not acknowledging the heterosexual tendencies within some in the priesthood as being relevant to the discussion around opposite sex sexual abuse by priests of young girls. It isn’t the “inclinations” that are at fault, nor should either be considered immoral in any way at all. The immorality comes from the expression of these inclinations on young, vulnerable people. For me, the concern has always been painting with a broad brush all priests with homosexual or heterosexual tendencies as somehow immoral or at higher risk for abusing the young. As long as we are careful to not judge all by the actions of a few, I support naming the full spectrum of concern.
An honest man…not quite at Romans 1 …but I’ll take it.
It takes guts to speak out, so God bless him for doing also. Why am I put to mind of the Arian Controversy on the 4th Century? Because Martini et al, are Arians if not worse.
Refreshingly and surprisingly unambiguous.
The Vigano allegations ring true.
All but the most obtuse now realize that there has been a movement within the Church to normalize homosexuality, which is clearly a disorder, and to proclaim homosexual fornication is natural when it is clearly an unnatural depravity. In other words, rather than evangelize the world with the ancient truths of Christianity, there are those within the Church who want to accommodate the world’s rejection of God’s plan for human sexuality.
Vigano only confirmed what orthodox Catholics knew all along must be true: This unholy movement within the Church comes from the very top and is led by homosexual activists, aka “the lavender mafia.”
Vigano’s allegations are either true or they are not. It should be relatively simple for a reasonable, objective investigation to determine which is the case — unless Bergoglio blocks such an investigation, which will speak volumes; it will amount to a confession of guilt. And remember, is is Vigano who is saying the release of documents will verify his claims, not Bergoglio, who instead of immediately proclaiming his innocence and insisting that Church documents will demonstrate his innocence, made the following statement to the press when questioned about Vigano’s allegations:
John Waters, in an article on the First Things web site, translates Bergoglio’s strange remarks to the press this way:
That seems like a reasonable interpretation.
Waters’ remarks can be read in their entirety here:
FRANCIS AND THE JOURNALISTS
Thank God we still have Bishops willing to speak the truth.
V. Let us pray for Bishop Eleganti and all the bishops, especially the courageous ones.
R. May he and they stand and tend your flock in your strength, O Lord, in your sublime name.
Thank you Bishop Eleganti!
On the silence of not saying a word–at his own trial Thomas More said it all: “…the maxim is ‘qui tacet consentire’. The maxim of the law is ‘silence gives consent.’ If, therefore, you wish to construe what my silence ‘betokened,’ you must construe that I consented, not that I denied” (as recounted in A Man for All Seasons).
If the Holy Spirit picks the pope how did we end up in this situation?
The Holy Spirit through his “permissive will” allows certain people to be elected to positions of responsibility. The Holy Spirit does not handpick the Pope.
The Holy Ghost gave us the pope we deserved!
Think of a brief list of faithless Cardinals, Daneels, Mahoney, Kasper, Martini (R.I.P.), O’Brien, Marx, Schoenburg, Dolan, Tobin, Weurl, McCarrick, I could go on. These princes of the Church make up a significant part of the lead shepherds and none of them really hold the teaching of the Church. So these men, in dress up, in big houses preside over dioceses’, process in and out of Holy Mass blessing ( or waving) to (us) the peasants and all the time, they condescend hope we will continue in the belief that they share the faith.
Cat’s out of the bag fellas, you are two-faced patronising sycophants fluttering around this bad pope – in trying to (frantically) keep things together in your bunker mentality. The cat is out of the bag. You lot have held sway for far too many years, with your duplicitous lives.
Please go away now as your credibility ( and that of your pals in the Jesuit’s) is now at zero.
Almighty God have mercy on us all.
Dear Gerald,
The Holy Spirit guards the Church just like He nurtures and protects your soul, but free will remains, and God the Holy Spirit does not thwart the obstinate that reject God’s love, rather He allows them to go their way, to find out that they need Him if they are to live and survive. The baptized soul is still capable of sinning and a Pope is still capable of human error, he is only infallible in matters of faith and morals, and even though an obstinate ideologue can appear to be changing teaching, the reality is that so far only personal thoughts are being falsely reported as changes in teaching.
God bless,
tom
The Lavender Mafia in the Church has come out of the shadows and has grown much stronger and bolder over the last 100 years or so to the point that they are now ready to alter Catholic teaching on the vile sin of homosexuality.
If the Catholic Church ceases to fully teach the gospel of Christ, Our Lord and the Blessed Virgin Mary will no longer be able to hold back the arm of God’s justice.
We are on very thin ice here and we are rapidly running out of time.
Oh pooh,
If Gods arm of justice did not come down after Roe or the holocaust it will never come down.
Is not the vileness of abortion and the churches minimal response worse than this gay thing?
Hmmmm? He’s not coming.
You’ll see him when you transcend.
God bless.
The Holy Spirit through his “permissive will” allows certain people to be elected to positions of responsibility. The Holy Spirit does not handpick the Pope.
Well, Father Klovenbach did not speak out for nothin’. Klovenbach’s report did not mysteriously disappear for nothin’.
Something tells me this pope may well simply self-destruct, somehow, at some point and sooner rather than later.
Just guessin’, nothing more.
We have a saying in Italy: Chi tace acconsente, or: to be silent is to agree.
The pope has his close support from proponents of fr. Martin, and really it says alot and builds the case for Vigano and the truth…. Fatima prophecy before our eyes?
It’s not just his words, Francis demeanor is “caught in the cookie jar” watching the video it’s clear he knew of abuse and did nothing about it
Interesting. I was one of those who did not want to acknowledge the homosexual tendencies within some in the priesthood as being relevant to the discussion around the tragedy of same sex sexual abuse by priests of young boys. But, this article made me suddenly realize that this is like not acknowledging the heterosexual tendencies within some in the priesthood as being relevant to the discussion around opposite sex sexual abuse by priests of young girls. It isn’t the “inclinations” that are at fault, nor should either be considered immoral in any way at all. The immorality comes from the expression of these inclinations on young, vulnerable people. For me, the concern has always been painting with a broad brush all priests with homosexual or heterosexual tendencies as somehow immoral or at higher risk for abusing the young. As long as we are careful to not judge all by the actions of a few, I support naming the full spectrum of concern.