Pope Francis at the General Audience in the Vatican’s Paul VI Hall, Feb. 2, 2022. / Daniel Ibañez/CNA
Denver Newsroom, Feb 3, 2022 / 17:20 pm (CNA).
Any talk about apostates and former Catholics who persecute the Church is bound to grab attention, and Pope Francis’ Wednesday audience drew a reaction from some who wondered whether he had intentionally included the damned in the communion of saints.
For all the controversy, the pope’s comments seem to reflect his personal emphasis on Catholic Christians’ links to the saints in heaven, but also to our loved ones and neighbors who are baptized but currently reject the faith.
“We are brothers. This is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven, and on earth the saints, the sinners, all,” the pope said during his Feb. 2 general audience. During his catechesis, he emphasized that reliance on the intercession of a saint “only has value in relation to Christ.”
“Christ is the bond that unites us to him and to each other, and which has a specific name: this bond that unites us all, between ourselves and us with Christ, it is the ‘communion of saints’,” said the pope.
He cited the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which defines the communion of saints as “the Church.”
“What does this mean? That the Church is reserved for the perfect? No,” the pope added. “It means that it is the community of saved sinners.”
“No one can exclude themselves from the Church, we are all saved sinners. Our holiness is the fruit of God’s love manifested in Christ, who sanctifies us by loving us in our misery and saving us from it. Thanks always to him we form one single body, says St Paul, in which Jesus is the head and we are the members,” he said.
The image of the Church as the Body of Christ helps us understand what it means to be bound to one another in communion, the pontiff continued. This body can suffer together, or be glorified together.
Summarizing St. Paul, Pope Francis said: “we are all one body, all united through faith, through baptism… All in communion: united in communion with Jesus Christ. And this is the communion of saints.”
The joy and sorrow of each Christian’s life affects every other Christian, said the pope, and this has consequences for how Christians respond to each other.
“I cannot be indifferent to others, because we are all in one body, in communion,” he explained. “In this sense, even the sin of an individual person always affects everyone, and the love of each individual person affects everyone.”
By virtue of the communion of the saints, every Christian is bound to another in “a profound way,” he said, adding “this bond is so strong that it cannot be broken even by death.”
The communion of saints includes the dead, said the Pope.
“They too are in communion with us,” he said. “Let us consider, dear brothers and sisters, that in Christ no one can ever truly separate us from those we love because the bond is an existential bond, a strong bond that is in our very nature; only the manner of being together with one another then changes, but nothing and no one can break this bond.”
Pope Francis then raised an objection from a hypothetical speaker: “let’s think about those who have denied the faith, who are apostates, who are the persecutors of the Church, who have denied their baptism: Are these also at home?”
The pope responded: “Yes, these too. All of them. The blasphemers, all of them. We are brothers. This is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven, and on earth: the saints, the sinners, all.”
“In this sense, the relationship of friendship that I can build with a brother or sister beside me, I can also establish with a brother or sister in heaven,” he said, continuing to explain devotion to the saints.
The pope’s remarks about apostates, persecutors, and those who deny their baptism drew some reaction on the internet.
CNA sought comment from Father Roch Kereszty, a Cistercian monk and retired University of Dallas theology professor. He said that papal talks are in the genre of “a fatherly exhortation, not a binding document” and must always be interpreted in a Catholic context.
“Most of Wednesday’s talk is a beautiful meditation on the communion of the saints in which Pope Francis emphasizes so enthusiastically the baptismal bond’s strength that some of his statements can easily be misunderstood,” Kereszty said Feb. 3. “Aware of his many attestations that he is a son of the Church and teaches only what the Church teaches, I exclude an intention to contradict the Church’s faith.”
“Baptism imprints an indelible mark on the soul, called baptismal character, and if there is no opposition by the soul, it also results in sanctifying grace in virtue of which Christ lives in the soul and joins us to himself and to all Christians both on earth and heaven,” he continued. “By grave, mortal sin we lose sanctifying grace and thus the indwelling of Christ in the soul and, of course, the right to heaven. But no sinner, no matter how obstinate, can lose the indelible mark of the baptismal character.”
“Every mortal sin breaks the bond of love on the part of the sinner, but it does not delete the character,” Kereszty said.
“The Pope quoted the Catechism: ‘The communion of the saints is the Church.’ Yes, but the living members of the Church are those in a state of sanctifying grace,” the priest added. “Those baptized members in a state of mortal sin are dead members, but the prayers of the Church are surrounding them with the love of a grieving mother. They will be saved only if they repent.”
“So it seems that when the pope speaks of the baptismal bond he does not distinguish between the character of baptism which one cannot lose, but which does not in itself save, and the bond of love which saves because it assures Christ’s presence in the soul,” Kereszty explained. “But this bond of love is destroyed by mortal sin on the part of the sinner. The Church, by her prayers, however, tries to obtain the grace of repentance for the sinner. And the baptismal character in the sinner may work in his heart to obtain his conversion.”
Asked about baptism and hell, Kereszty said, “the Communion of Saints and the baptismal bond does not include those in hell. One should speak about hell, but not necessarily in the same talk.”
Pope Francis does not particularly focus on hell in his preaching, but he has referred to hell and God’s judgement in the past.
In Nov. 22, 2016 remarks during a morning meditation at his residence the Casa Santa Marta, he reminded his audience of “(the) call from the Lord to think seriously about the end: about my end, the judgement, about my judgement.”
The pope remarked that children traditionally learn the “four last things” from the Catechism, namely “death, judgement, hell or glory.”
While some might say “Father, this frightens us,” Pope Francis said, he answered: “It is the truth. Because if you do not take care of your heart… (and) you always live far away from the Lord, perhaps there is the danger, the danger of continuing in this way, far away from the Lord for eternity. This is very bad!”
“Today it will be good for us to think about this: what will my end be like? How will it be when I find myself before the Lord?” the pope said.
He recounted Christ’s words from the Book of Revelation: “Be thou faithful unto death… and I will give you the crown of life.”
“Fidelity to the Lord: this does not disappoint,” he said in 2016. “If each one of us is faithful to the Lord, when our death comes, as shall we say what St. Francis said: ‘Sister death, come’. It will not frighten us.”
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“Bätzing told journalists that there was no departure from Catholicism intended by the Synodal Way. Instead, he said, its supporters wanted to remain Catholic, “but we want to be Catholic in a different way.”
Batzing’s way of saying, “We only want to ‘identify’ as being Catholic”.
We read from Bats-sing, that the Synodal Way “supporters wanted to remain Catholic, ‘but we want to be Catholic in a different way.’” As said the cannibal about his sorta “different” invitation: “I’d like to have you over for dinner.”
Yes, it’s the gay agenda or the gay lobby. It’s a political movement, one that’s hostile to Christianity.
No one in the Lord’s family froim the Pope down to laity be catholic in a different way.
Discipleship as defined by the Lord Jesus
“If you live according to my teaching, you are truly my disciples; then you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”—- (John 8, 31-32)
What was the command that the Lord to His first 12 disciples, who became the 12 Aspostles?
“All authority in Heaven and on earth has been given me. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” — (Matt.,28:18-20)
Apparently, Batzing’s Catholicism is a version where the Lord’s Prayer has been erased from Scripture. Jesus’ instruction on how to say a perfect prayer includes the words, “lead us not into temptation.” Are the German bishops so naive they believe same-sex “marriages” will not tempt two people to engage in sterile sex. Thus, a blessing by the Church is implying that this grievous sin is actually OK with the Church. Are the Germans gullible enough to think homosexuals possess a greater ability to resist temptation than do heterosexuals? Show me the studies that support that ridiculous assertion. I’ll save you the effort — there isn’t any.
Scripture also tells us that if anyone causes an innocent child to go astray, it would result in severe consequences. Aren’t we all children of God? Aren’t all the baptized also children of the Church? The German bishops should be very concerned about leading and encouraging people into temptation to commit sinful sterile sex.
In the Our Father the “lead us not into temptation” is not a nuanced recollection from the disciples that can be reformulated.
It is a doctrine on prayer that the Lord gave us. It can’t be changed. It is the Redeemer Lord Himself at prayer teaching us the way.
You have to ask the Redeemer to show you. Br grateful for what little benefit with it He offers you. Smile at your God and rejoice on it.
So, here, I am not going to go into a survey of the implications of this; I only want to lament that the Holy Father fell in with the changers.
That was some years ago. The Holy Father retreated from the German delegations, adding more let-down, consistently; and lamentation.
Bravo, bravissimo for fathers Medina, Olivera and Gongora for their clear and strong words against blessing a sin.
With priests like them, I really feel much more at peace with my faith and with the way our Holy Father is directing our One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. No room for doubts on Christ’s teachings.
I will pray and try to see it your way and even make a benefit of the doubt for the Holy Father; while the case, as far as I can see so far, is, we do not know what the Holy Father intimated to the Germans. The time he was in Mexico when he said in the interview to “legalize homosexual civil union”, it only was revealed later. In this present situation, where and when did he address that the blessing of the “union” is wrong?
‘ From such counsels of despair, of course, people of faith must simply flee; and they must cling, even if only by a fingernail, to Christ’s assurance that He will not leave us orphaned and alone. So, why have so many of you seemingly given up? How does one account for such craven refusals to preserve and defend the teachings of the Church, teachings which the whole point of your episcopal ordination obliges you to uphold? Why this loss of faith in the Church’s mission to sacramentalize the world and thus bring the saving mercy of Jesus Christ to sinners?
I ask because, if that were the case, then the Church over which you preside, concerning whose governance you will answer before God Himself, would be no different from the fallen world which Christ has enjoined us all to assist Him in redeeming. The Church’s life would then be one of complete futility, thereby consigning us all to a state of lassitude and despair. ‘
https://www.crisismagazine.com/opinion/an-open-letter-to-our-bishops
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-11/pope-prays-for-german-homeless-man-found-dead.html
Tired about this. When it will finish? Never? Neither us!
(Bravo too for fathers Olivera, Medina and Góngora).