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By James V. Schall, S.J. 

Several folks have already asked me my opinion on President Barack Obama’s being invited to give the Commencement Address at Notre Dame. I have been a fan of the Fighting Irish since boyhood. I have good friends there. I expect the place to lead, without my having to worry whether they are going in the right direction, though I do worry.

My first reaction to the news was, however, that I could only laugh. “How perfectly perfect,” I thought. It could not have been a better forum for the president to pursue what are, to me, his infamous “projects.” In the present climate, no act could make the South Bend school more visible than it already is, except perhaps, dare I say, a winning season on the turf?

But was Schall surprised by the invitation? Was it just a question of what Catholic school got there first? Was Schall disappointed? Not surprised, really. This is the logic of political proportionalism carried out in public. It is all done in the noble name of the greater good. What might have surprised me, I think, would have been if the president was seeking an invitation, but Notre Dame refused. I would be disappointed if the initiative came from Notre Dame. I prefer to remain in ignorance.

But one does wonder, who invited whom? Did the president’s shrewd men approach Notre Dame, or vice versa? Was the local bishop informed? It is too early yet to see what all, some, or none of the bishops will say, though this should not be long. The Pope is in Africa, but again we wonder if Rome is watching or cares much. But the president knows that the Pope did send him early congratulations on his election, so does Notre Dame.

I must say, though, that I have to give the president much credit for cleverness, whoever invited whom. I cannot think of a single act—one so simple, so innocent, so effective—that serves to do exactly what he needs to have done, namely, plunge an arrow into the heart of Catholicism’s opposition to him, what there is of it. I shake my head in admiration. From now on, all he has to say is: “But, my dear fellow, I was invited to Notre Dame.” Everyone will understand his point.

The issue of commencements at Catholic schools has been in the hopper and unresolved for years. I wrote a piece on it myself a couple of years ago on Ignatius Insight. The controversy will always be over the same issues: “Why do you want to honor this person?” “What does the honoree stand for?” “What does this selection reveal about the institution that does the inviting?” “What lesson do the graduating students learn from it about their souls and their institution?” “Just what is honor anyhow?”

But this invitation concerns a sitting president, right? Notre Dame rightly prides itself as the place where presidents speak, numbers of them have done so before. It is “academic freedom” at its best or its fuzziest, take your choice. There probably will not be a caveat in the program that tells the listeners that the university is “personally opposed.”

Will any Notre Dame students transfer to other colleges because of it? Will any prospective students change their mind about coming there in the fall? Where would they go? No doubt whatever internal controversy over the invitation there was has already been hashed out. No college president just “invites” someone without some consultation. We know several Notre Dame faculty members are Obama supporters. One suspects President Obama received the majority of eligible faculty and student votes in the November election, as he did in most other Catholic higher educational institutions.

So the president should feel comfortable that he is coming to friendly, genteel soil. And this commencement will deservedly receive world-wide coverage. The president will look very relaxed there. He will give an eloquent talk on something like “social justice” that will make Rerum Novarum seem out-of-date, though he will no doubt mention it, by name, along with the Redeemer, Aquinas, Mother Teresa, and Knute Rockne.

The president, or his writers, knows his audience. Many of them are, after all, like himself, from Chicago, the heart of Notre Dame alumni, the heart of this administration. The teleprompter will work perfectly. All will be well. I do not expect to be further surprised, just a little disappointed, perhaps.

James V. Schall, S.J. is professor of government at Georgetown University.

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J Paul  - Catholic schools heal thyself   |2009-03-24 05:08:36
While the invitation by a Catholic university is catholic (universal) in it's proposal to have the new president speak, it is by no means Catholic in terms of what we as Catholics believe (or more correctly, what we should believe). The invitation allows a man who campaigned on and from all apearences intends to sign legislation that is completely contrary to the most fundemental of our beliefs, the sacredness of human life, as if the matter was of trivial importance like what was being served in the cafeteria next Tuesday. The faith of the Church and the word of God compells us to love one another as Christ loves us. Our love of one another in Christ compells us to address the wrongs of the secular world and chief among them is abortion. The moral relativism and the corruption of Catholic faith that seems to pervade all to many "Catholic" colleges and universities is wrong and evil. The lenten season of reflection and penance is an appropriate time to pause, prayerfully consider our actions and inactions, confess our sins and ask for God's mercy. As Catholics, this same process should be applied to our schools and institutions who have strayed and wandered far from the truth. May God's will be done.
Janice Thames  - Small Business Owner   |2009-04-30 02:39:54
I thought President Obama also spoke at Georgetown University. There the President covered up the name of Jesus.
What does Father Schall say about that?

I think that it is reprehensible that President Jenkins would invite President Obama who stands to destroy religion and the babies and elderly of our families.

Thank you for letting me respond.
B Newton  - President Obama vs. Catholic values   |2009-03-25 05:50:20
I didn't vote for the man, I hope for the country he is succeful, however when he reversed the aboration laws and stem cell research bill last week he went against every value that learned in my Catholic education. As we put the priest abuse scandal behind us and open a new era of reconciliation, the most prestigus Catholic University's invites this man to come to graduation and give the keynote speech! I guess the Catholic church has decided to join the march to Socialism and embrass this man's agenda, it is another scandal. Thus why I will walk away from the Roman Catholic Church to include all alumni support, and or donations to Catholic charities and just embrass my relationship personally with God because the Roman Catholic Church in essence has endorsed this man and his beliefs and values by giving him this platform and if the president of Notre Dame doesnt believe that, that is how the Obama see's it! God Bless and Happy Easter. Way to Irish :(
Nellie Edwards  - Staying with Peter   |2009-03-27 06:27:27
To B. Newton...Don't forsake the Church because you don't like what certain individual do or don't do...It is still the Church Christ founded...even tho some in it are 'con'founded by the world's currents. Let fight evil together, as faithful Roman Catholics - united to Peter all the way home to Heaven, where there is no moral relativism!
B.Dumas   |2009-05-28 02:56:37
I no longer donate money to the Catholic Church or her charities. My money goes to the ACLJ (American Center for Liberty and Justice) and the 9.12 Project.

I know one priest who understands conservative politics. Ironically, he offers a Latin Mass. I'm trying to focus on the Mass and ignore the political church.
Robert B. Payne  - Chaplain (Ret.) United States Army   |2009-03-27 17:20:49
Yes, Peter Newton everything you said is so true. President Jenkins, a philosophy graduate of Berkely, CA knows perfectly well by inviting President Obama to speak @ the
Notre Dame commencement ceremonies he is both endorsing & legitimizing the most pro - abortion, pro death president in the history of the United States of America.

This is not about free speech. This is a violation of the core values of the Roman Catholic Church. This invitation comes only days after Obama signed the bill authorizing Federal money to destroy human embryos.
"Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of happiness..." Thomas Jefferson wrote. 1st one must be permitted to have the God given gift of Life, & so support human dignity.
Chaplain,(Ret.)United States Army
Jerry Becan  - We are all alone   |2009-03-25 06:40:37
This is just another slap in the face of practicing, loyal Catholics. It is a direct result of the American Bishops refusing (with some exceptions) to discipline the Bidens, Pelosis, Kennedys, etc. The rest of the country is watching, and they say, "it really doesn't matter. The Catholics have the VP, the speaker of the house, and they don't see anything wrong with abortion. Obama is going to talk at Notre Dame, so his actions must be ok, too. It's just a handful of lunatics who are serious about this 'right-to-life' stuff." Good Catholics, it seems, are just plain irrelevant.

Just tell me that the butcher of the Potomac is not going to the convocation mass and be offered communion. Please!
Debbie   |2009-04-01 04:18:12
The only Catholics that got picked for public office were those who'd already shown what they would do. Like Herod picked by the Romans to be King.
Anne Flynn   |2009-03-25 07:09:21
Far from being disheartened by Fr. Jenkin's actions, I, as a Catholic, am invigorated because no one should underestimate the small voice of the lay Catholics in this country. That voice will get stronger during the next few weeks. I will continue praying. I will continue fasting. I will continue standing outside the abortion clinic. I know my God hears the cries of the unborn and I will continue to do the small things Our Lord asks of me. His is the Victory. Notre Dame, wake up to those cries as Your Savior is calling You NOW!
LithoLou   |2009-03-31 15:34:27
Anne, I agree with you wholeheartedly. When I get discouraged about the direction the american catholics are taking, I can't help the conviction that
nothing is done without God's approval.
"He who God loves, He chastizes.", and America needs a lot of chastizing.
Nancy   |2009-04-06 04:14:15
Litho Lu, You say, "nothing is done without God's approval". If God has a weakness, it is in His loving us so, He lets us make choices that He does not necessarily approve. Perfect love does not control nor chastize, but allows us the freedom to choose and in so choosing we experience the consequences of those choices thus inflicting our own punishment. His punishment will be our final judgment as we stand before Him after death.
John Stoj  - Petition in support of President Obama at ND     |2009-03-25 08:04:06
The teachings of the Catholic Church are not in question here, and neither should our respect for our President: having a sitting president speak at Notre Dame is an honor. What is in question is why there wasn't such a public outcry from organizations such as the Cardinal Newman Society when then President George W. Bush spoke at ND's commencement when he was and is a supporter of capital punishment - also clearly against Church teaching. This issue is being hijacked for political purposes, and that is my main problem with it.
Francis Sparagna     |2009-03-25 10:27:41
Since when is capital punishment c;early against the teaching of the Catholic church??/ You sound like another one of those "cafeteria Catholics" who pick & choose whatever they,themselves, think is wrong--not what Catholic Doctrine thinks is morally right or wrong.
To people like you--as with some priests & Bishops, abortion is only lukewarmly wrong --while your usual secular liberal agenda gets promoted eternally.
Francis Sparagna     |2009-03-25 10:32:26
I haven't heard more than 2 sermons against abortion in 25 years either.

Francis S.
Charon Carver   |2009-05-02 04:42:47
Come to St. Monica Church in Kalamazoo, MI. Not only is abortion often a topic in homilies, but after every Mass, the entire congregation recites a prayer for a "speedy end to abortion, euthanasia, and embryonic stem cell research" .
Cate   |2009-03-25 10:48:45
John,

Equating the Church's teaching on capital punishment and its teaching on abortion is misleading. The Catechism states that traditional Catholic teaching has not excluded legitimate recourse to the death penalty; every procured abortion, on the other hand, has always been considered a moral evil by the Church. Faithful Catholics can disagree about the legitimacy of the state's recourse to capital punishment; they cannot disagree about the morality of abortion.
Peadar Ban   |2009-03-26 01:31:52
Mr. Stoj,

I cannot recall the document which declares that capital punishment is in violation of the teachings of the Catholic Church. Perhaps you have reference to the Fifth Commandment. But that speaks of murder, which includes the sins of abortion and the destruction of embryonic human beings for the purposes of research: a species of cannibalism to my way of thinking; for the support of which one should rightly be condemned, not given the lectern and honored.

We dishonor ourselves as a nation and as believers by showing honor to such a person; and he dishonors the office he occupies, as much, and more so than the last man of his party did when he held office ten and more years ago.

You are simply, but glaringly wrong.
Jeff Talbot   |2009-03-27 07:15:51
John,

In case you haven't noticed, the church is not against capital punishment, per se. Yes, it strongly discourages it, but it still gives the state the ultimate authority in the matter. We kill less than 50 people per year through the death penalty, people who by and large have been guilty of some horrendous crimes. Yes, I realize that an innocent person can sometimes be put to death, but it's not an intentional act by the state. You can't equate this with the deaths of over 1.2 million innocent children each year through the act of abortion. This is mindless nonsense.
Alice S. Duncan   |2009-05-15 14:50:01
The difference is a person can agree or disagree with capital punishment and still be in line with the Church. You can not be pro-choice in any way and still be in line with the Church. The inviting of a pro-abortion president is a total disgrace to the Catholic Church. There is no debate on the Abortion issue. He advocates the murder of millions on millions of defenseless human beings.
John Stoj  - Please sign     |2009-03-25 08:05:52
In case it wasn't clear to hit the web wingding above:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/haveObamaatND/
ronald cook  - father of a notre dame graduate   |2009-03-25 08:46:48
a B minus at best to the bishop of fort wayne. I would rather see him on the stage with his back turned. I have not heard a sermon on abortion in 25 years. how easy it is for bishops to make statements when a few of us catholics live daily with children who are brain damaged. god loves them and their loving parents who rejected the "leadership" of the Obamas, a rejection not even contemplated by the notre dame brass.
Bradley  - Prestige over Principal   |2009-03-25 12:18:42
Wake up the echos, and any Catholic and Christian with a pulse...Fr. Jenkins has demonstrated quite clearly, he is more politician than priest. He is more concerned about the worldy and not the divine. As the figurehead of a great Catholic University (at least used to be) he is responsible to maintain the Churchs' teachings, which is non-negotiable, irrespective of the weightyness of a speaker. An important position does not make a great man. Both Fr. Jenkins and Pres. Obama have proven this very clearly with their denial of catholic teachings and truths...
Mike S   |2009-03-26 06:03:18
D'Arcy needs to take away UND's right to call itself a Catholic institution. End of story.
Parodical Jester   |2009-03-26 09:07:20
Dear Members of the Notre Dame Community, and Esteemed Friends,

We are proud to announce that Notre Dame has invited President Barack Obama to give this year’s commencement address. Although President Obama differs with members of our community on some issues, the University’s commitment to diversity and dialogue means that we welcome speakers who can share different perspectives with our students. Given the importance that the University places on honoring diverse points of view, we are also proud to announce that we have taken the unprecedented step of lining up the following commencement speakers for the next five years:

1. 2010 -- Bernie Madoff and Jeff Skilling, who will give a joint address on “Business Ethics as an Embodiment of Catholic Social Teaching,” a theme which is more important than ever in these challenging economic times. Mr. Madoff and Mr. Skilling will share their extensive business experience which they gained, respectively, as a personal investment advisor and as an executive at Enron Corporation. Due to unavoidable circumstances, Mr. Madoff and Mr. Skilling will be unable to travel to South Bend for the address, but will appear by videoconference by special arrangement with the U.S. Bureau of Prisons. Some members of the Notre Dame community have expressed misgivings about this invitation, but we stress the importance of keeping an open mind to other, enriching points of view.

2. 2011 -- The Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, who will speak on “The Place of Catholics in American Society.” Unfortunately, there has always been a great deal of misunderstanding between this University and the KKK. At times, Notre Dame has failed to be as receptive as it could have been to the Klan’s diverse point of view, given unfortunate incidents in which members of our football team have disrupted Klan rallies in South Bend and beaten up its members. Other members of our community have sometimes reacted emotionally to the Klan’s advocacy of expelling the Catholic faith from these shores, without taking the time to understand their unique and diverse point of view. We look forward to the Grand Wizard’s visit, and hope it will be an occasion of understanding and mutual forgiveness.

3. 2012 – Hu Jintao, Paramount Leader of the People’s Republic of China, who give an address on “The Meaning of Family Life,” and how China’s innovative family policies hold many lessons for us. As the place of family holds an important place in our Catholic faith, we eagerly anticipate learning from and dialoguing with Premier Jintao.

4. 2013 – Christopher Hitchens, renowned English author, who will give an address on “The Proper Place of Religious Faith in Society,” and will make the case that we are better off without it. Mr. Hitchens will also encourage Catholics to engage in the sort of beneficial self-examination that we all too often avoid, and will use our sometimes uncritical admiration for Blessed Mother Teresa as a case in point, explaining why he "wishes there really was a Hell for the b**ch to go to." We look forward to learning from Mr. Hitchens about the virtues of the New Atheism.

5. 2014 – Kim Jong-Il, who will give an address on “Religious Liberty in the 21st Century.” Mr. Jong-Il, the Dear Leader of the Democratic People’s Republic Korea, will share his unique perspective on religious liberty with our graduates. Religious liberty has always been an important theme in American Catholic life, and we look forward to the opportunity to dialogue with the Dear Leader. Some of the more excitable members of our community have expressed a distressingly close-minded attitude towards the Dear Leader’s visit to Our Lady’s University, merely because any North Koreans who are found to be practicing the Catholic faith are subject to summary execution. We urge all members of our community to reflect on the need for greater tolerance of all points of view (except, of course, for our own).

Yours in Christ,

The University of Notre Dame
Father Joseph LeBlanc  - Prior, St. Joseph Hermitage   |2009-03-26 09:35:33
It is very disappointing to see how we have easily manipulated Catholic teaching in order to fit our ideological state.

When I say and do believe the teaching of the Church on abortion, embryonic stem cell, and the political decision of President Bush on the Mexico Policy and "Conscience Clause", then, I adhere to those beliefs. I am not a Catholic Priest sometimes.

So as a graduate of Notre Dame, I am afraid and do agree with Bishop D'Arcy that the University has chosen prestige over truth. It is going the route of Georgetown and Fordham. Both excellent institutions of learning, but, as the years go on, they lose a great deal of their Catholic Identity. Yes, Catholic Identity.

We have one Bishop declining the invitation; and we have another Bishop who is a Fellow still hasn't spoken on the matter.

It's understandable why the laity in this country think that the hierarch and at that, the clergy, are weak sister.

For sure, we do not have it together.
gary michael   |2009-03-26 17:43:35
Fantastic! a "DUMP JENKINS" move. Thank God. At Last!

http://www.RealCatholicTV.net/ndobama/nobamavid04.php
Luis Howard   |2009-03-27 11:21:50
JMJ

Fr Schall: You ask where would the kids go who wanted to go to Notre Dame but canceled because of the Obama taint. How about Thomas Aquinas College, Magdalen College, Christendom College, and two or three others?

As to not being further surprised, you might be when Mary Ann Glendon rejects the Laetare honor because of the Obama taint, OR, what might be better, uses the occasion to give Obama some comeuppance. Oremus.
B.Dumas   |2009-05-28 03:08:13
There's a new school out there, too. George Wythe University. It's not a Catholic school by any means, but it is focused on teaching directly from classic texts (no textbooks and no theory or deconstruction) and principles. Their mission is to "Build men and women of virtue,
wisdom, diplomacy and courage
who inspire greatness in others
and move the cause of liberty." They offer a true liberal education in the old sense; they teach students to understand the founding principles of our nation, not to be swayed by feel-good liberalism. God is one of their five pillars.
M Barrett   |2009-03-28 11:56:40
I'm surprised; I expected Notre Dame administrators to be more erudite, more perceptive. This 'decision to invite' is disappointingly mediocre. It isn't clever in the big picture sense, it is irresponsible to the common sense. Is there a wolf in lambs garb loose on the campus?
Sarah Vincent   |2009-03-29 09:44:28
Sarah, is an interesting article about the furor over the President being invited to deliver the commencement address at Notre Dame.Enjoy!
Earl
Sarah Vincent   |2009-03-29 09:46:24
Sarah, here is a piece about the controversey over the President being invited to give the commencement address at Notre Dame.
Earl
Sarah Vincent   |2009-03-29 09:48:02
Here is an interesting piece about the President's proposed speech at Notre Dame.
Earl
George Kadlec   |2009-03-29 17:33:49
I assume that Adolph Hitler would be acceptable to Father Jenkins.
Anne Flynn   |2009-03-30 07:05:10
It is wonderful that Catholics are waking up, finally. I'm hearing about people going into their local diner and getting people to sign this ND petition. Catholics are talking to their neighbors, their coworkers, and fellow parishoners. We have to make sure that every pro-life Catholic with a forum (pro-life group, newsletter, radio station, newspapaper, position of authority in the Church, (priest, pastor, Bishop, monastery superiors, Catholic High school and University teachers, elementary too,) every single Catholic has an obligation to those innocent babies who have no voice. Use your voice for Christ today!
Dr. C.A.Mugridge  - Dr. C.A.Mugridge   |2009-03-31 12:37:39
Fr. Schall writes: "I cannot think of a single act—one so simple, so innocent, so effective—that serves to do exactly what he needs to have done, namely, plunge an arrow into the heart of Catholicism’s opposition to him, what there is of it."

Not so innocent I think...

Our Lady herself stands in opposition to the culture of death opposing the murder of the innocents in this 21st Century's version of Herod's bloodthirsty act against life: abortion.

It is Her name that is being specifically dishonored now in this invitation of the president.

The image of the Blessed Mother at the Presentation of Jesus in the Temple comes to mind now as She quietly stands with the Holy Infant in her arms hearing the words of Simeon, "And a sword shall pierce your heart too!"

We cannot expect Christ to "honor us before his Father" if we honor his enemies on earth... God forgive us - I am afraid that we know all too well what we are doing...
Dr. C.A.Mugridge   |2009-03-31 12:39:43
We cannot expect Christ to "honor us before his Father" if we honor his enemies on earth... God forgive us - I am afraid that we know all too well what we are doing...
Peggy Bartley   |2009-03-31 13:26:21
Having Obama speak at a Catholic University is like having a cattle rancher speak at a PETA dinner...
B.Dumas   |2009-05-28 03:09:42
No, it's like having a the PETA president speak at the Cattle Ranchers' dinner.
Helen Reilly   |2009-03-31 13:35:54
Our son graduated from Notre Dame. Although he was able to attend ND only becuase he received a lot of financial aid, we still sacrificed a lot for him to be there. We were so happy that he was in a place of such strong Cahtolic character. We are now thoroughly disgusted and disappointed that Notre Dame, Our Lady's university, has chosen to turn place worldly recognition above some of the most basic Catholic principles.
Anthony J. Casper  - Obama????   |2009-03-31 14:29:56
Since I was a boy ND has always been the epitome of a Catholic school. I did 12 grades of Catholic school before I joined the US Army. None of my 5 sons went to Notre Dame but they were still raised Catholic and have Catholic values. This President has values from the other side. As Americans we should honor his right to believe anything he wants. But let's not flaunt it. No Obama at Notre Dame. No honorary law degree to Satan's man. NO. NO. No.
Dale Noble   |2009-04-01 01:40:25
A little disappointed, Fr. Schall, it's apostasy! What are you "learned" priests smoking?

Those of us who are true to the Magisterium are appalled. Our Lord's priests are in rebellion, and evidently with not a thought to salvation....their own or those they are responsible for.

It is a true scandal in our Church.
Jean   |2009-04-01 07:38:27
I, too, wish Father Schall was not quite so comfortable with this event or at least not so flip in his writing about it... an American public figure with an alarming list of pro-abortion work on his resume not just appearing at, but being honored at a supposedly Catholic institution. Considering the list of Obama's "work" on the baby killings, it is an outrage, whether or not the very sophisticated think so or not. And didn't Jesus warn about such lack of care of one's faith and one's soul? Aren't those the words he even used to begin his work? And for the hierarchy, that's a plural, isn't it? The SOULS in their charge... which means all of us whenever a priest or bishop speaks (or doesn't). Unfortunately, too many priests and bishops are far too comfortable with the errors all around them and afraid to actually speak up forcefully as men... heaven forbid they stand up and be heard. How very sophomoric that would be for these very learned and polished men. Only peasants engage in real protest... sophisticates in the USA would never take to the streets, would they. As JP2 once warned... we'll be standing on the sidelines doing nothing as our families and freedoms are washed away, and just because we stood on the sidelines and did nothing. All the do-nothings. May God have mercy on all the cowards who have leadership roles in His Church. I would like to take a survey of all the clergy and religious and find out how many have EVER stood praying outside an abortion mill. Naah. The results would be too embarrassing. I'm sorry. It's just a very bad time in our country, isn't it? And I am sick unto death of the cowards who should be shouting out for all God's children, most especially should be heard the people who followed the "call" and are supposed to be our leaders. We're dying in this country, and very few of our priests and bishops are saying or doing anything. So sad; I'm so very tired. I know Jesus wins and has great mercy, but so many are being lost because people view the "call" as just another career. I don't mean Father Schall. I have always admired his teaching and his work has always been valuable, but this thing about Notre Dame is just so disappointing from him... and you SHOULD want to know, Father, how the invitation came about. It is alarming that such as you do not want to know. +JMJ
B.Dumas   |2009-05-28 03:12:41
It's not just Obama's position on abortion that's appalling. Look at the track record of socialism/communism in the 20th century. In the words of the Roosevelt administration, socialism is about "creating a religion of government, to free people from their superstitions of individuality and the free market." What does God want for us - individuality and freedom or serfdom to some government?
Jean   |2009-04-01 07:39:54
be for these very learned and polished men. Only peasants engage in real protest... sophisticates in the USA would never take to the streets, would they. As JP2 once warned... we'll be standing on the sidelines doing nothing as our families and freedoms are washed away, and just because we stood on the sidelines and did nothing. All the do-nothings. May God have mercy on all the cowards who have leadership roles in His Church. I would like to take a survey of all the clergy and religious and find out how many have EVER stood praying outside an abortion mill. Naah. The results would be too embarrassing. I'm sorry. It's just a very bad time in our country, isn't it? And I am sick unto death of the cowards who should be shouting out for all God's children, most especially should be heard the people who followed the "call" and are supposed to be our leaders. We're dying in this country, and very few of our priests and bishops are saying or doing anything. So sad; I'm so very tired. I know Jesus wins and has great mercy, but so many are being lost because people view the "call" as just another career. I don't mean Father Schall. I have always admired his teaching and his work has always been valuable, but this thing about Notre Dame is just so disappointing from him... and you SHOULD want to know, Father, how the invitation came about. It is alarming that such as you do not want to know. +JMJ
Jean   |2009-04-01 07:40:32
are saying or doing anything. So sad; I'm so very tired. I know Jesus wins and has great mercy, but so many are being lost because people view the "call" as just another career. I don't mean Father Schall. I have always admired his teaching and his work has always been valuable, but this thing about Notre Dame is just so disappointing from him... and you SHOULD want to know, Father, how the invitation came about. It is alarming that such as you do not want to know. +JMJ
Santhosh Ebroo  - Please reread Fr. Schall.   |2009-04-01 19:28:09
Dale and Jean,
I wish you'd read Fr. Schall's piece again. It was witty and sharp. Real sharp. I'm sure he's offering masses and prayers for all that is going on, has been going on and will continue in the foreseeable future, both in contemporary American society and Catholic higher institutions.

With his keen mind and nicely worded piece (which almost borders on Chestertonian wit), he has unravelled the farce that has been going on in American political life, especially with regards politicians who are catholic ( or Catholic) for I don't know which is which in most instances.

Please reread his piece.

Warm regards,
Santhosh
Ken   |2009-04-02 20:07:10
All this has fallen under the watch of JPII and Benedict XVI.

At least Benedict XVI corrected the injustice of the SSPX bishops being "excommunicated"(they never were in reality). JPII was too busy excommunicating real Catholic while the real schismatics like Fr. Jenkins were ruining Catholic universities.

What else would you expect from a modernist papacy.
Manuel G. Daugherty Razetto   |2009-04-03 16:32:53
Kudos to Santhosh for his view on Fr Schall. One must read deeper to understand Schall and how profound his mind is. I thought his article is light in words and style but profound in intention. Our father Schall says: what might have surprised me was that the president would have been seeking an invitation and ND refused !.
Patrick McCarthy   |2009-04-05 15:06:30
What this really is . . .

is the beginning of the 'New Catholic Church' . . .

Germany had the 'Lutheran' . . .

England had the 'Church of England' . . .

. . . all of these coming from the then "Holy Roman Catholic Church' . . .

We will soon have 'The American Catholic Church' . . . we will steal the name and the buildings . . . as well as the flock . . . is what the President's of Notre Dame and the USA are going to do . . .

. . . and even if this was not their goal . . . and they just 'dumb lucked' their way into this fiasco . . . it is 'someone's' goal . . . he being a spiritual force in high places . . . it is definitely 'his' goal . . . and he has pulled off a great victory, perhaps.

It does say that the evil one will 'wear-out' the Saints in the last days . . . and with all the 'loss of Faith' since Vatican II . . . perhaps we are 'worn-out . . . perhaps.

But . . . after the evil one has his day . . . Mary and Her Children will win.

GOD Bless us all . . . as we will need HIS Blessing.
B.Dumas   |2009-05-28 03:14:52
How did Hitler put it? "Against a church that is in complete agreement with the state, I have nothing to say."
Patrick McCarthy   |2009-04-05 15:12:44
After the evil one has his day . . . Mary and the Saints will win . . . JESUS CHRIST will win . . . through Mary and the Saints.

Let us give him a battle all the way . . . in Prayer and in Love of our neighbor.

Praying for Obama . . . and all of those unfortunate so-called 'Catholics' . . . who don't even know that what they are doing in honoring the 'evils' this man 'wrong-mindedly' pursues as being 'good' . . . is so very very wrong and . . . may I say . . . so evil.

GOD Bless us all.
Patrick McNally  - The Truth About Catholic Colleges   |2009-04-05 16:09:20
There are around 240 so-called Catholic Colleges in the USA. Only 12 of them are "mandatum" schools...meaning, they have subscribed in uncompromising fashion to an oath of fidelity to teach only the teachings of the Church, as defined by the Magisterium, adding nothing and changing nothing. It's a shame isn't it? Surpise...Notre Dame is NOT one of them. Thomas Aquinas in CA, Creighton, and several others (among the mandatum colleges) offer far superior choices for Catholic college students that want an authentically Catholic University experience. In my opnion, chief among them is The Franciscan University of Steubenville...it is a superb liberal arts college where 75% of the student body attend daily Mass...Masses are SRO...there is round-the-clock eucharistic adoration...and modesty, dignity and respect are all practiced unfailingly in an environment of joy, faithfulness, hard work, excellence and devotion to Christ. If you do not already know about this place, learn more about it. It is the home, the seat, the seedbed of the Catholic renewal in America. Mother Teresa and John Paul II knew about Franciscan. It is what Notre Dame always wanted to be...what they may have even been for awhile, many many years ago. If you visit this place for even a couple of hours you cannot leave unaffected...go visit the Holy Spirit on His home turf. Notre Dame is the sad past...Franciscan is the hopeful future. Thank you and may God richly bless you...those whom you love, and those for whom you pray...even and especially the apostate Father Jenkins and our president. Sorry, I'm extremely vexed about this sad nonsense. Thanks for your patience with my words. - Patrick McNally
Patrick McNally  - re: The Truth About Catholic Colleges   |2009-04-05 16:13:33
The Franciscan University of Steubenville...it is a superb liberal arts college where 75% of the student body attend daily Mass...Masses are SRO...there is round-the-clock eucharistic adoration...and modesty, dignity and respect are all practiced unfailingly in an environment of joy, faithfulness, hard work, excellence and devotion to Christ. If you do not already know about this place, learn more about it. It is the home, the seat, the seedbed of the Catholic renewal in America. Mother Teresa and John Paul II knew about Franciscan. It is what Notre Dame always wanted to be...what they may have even been for awhile, many many years ago. If you visit this place for even a couple of hours you cannot leave unaffected...go visit the Holy Spirit on His home turf. Notre Dame is the sad past...Franciscan is the hopeful future. Thank you and may God richly bless you...those whom you love, and those for whom you pray...even and especially the apostate Father Jenkins and our president. Sorry, I'm extremely vexed about this sad nonsense. Thanks for your patience with my words. - Patrick McNally[/quote]
Dale Noble   |2009-04-06 06:36:59
Thank you Patrick McNally for giving us the perfect alternative to what's going on at Notre Dame.

Franciscan, Ave Maria, and a few other universities are the hope of those of us living our Faith as Jesus preached, and being joined by young people who have been properly formed in our Roman Catholic doctrine.

Peace to all during this Holy Week. I pray for all priests whose will in any way differs from that of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Dale Noble   |2009-04-06 07:07:23
Santhosh,
I have just reread Fr. Schall's piece. Again, I found it excellent and witty, until I came to the "a little disappointed" statement. I'm sorry, I cannot get beyond that!
To me, that's like saying I'm a little disappointed in the woman in crisis who makes use of the closest abortion mill. Understatement is not needed here...action is! There should be a greater hue and cry from the truly faithful and all that we remember during this Holy Week should inspire us to just that.
Those who have been educated at Notre Dame should denounce the university, those who have supported it should cease in their support. All should insist upon a President and professors who are true to the Magisterium in their teaching and actions.
Nothing less should be acceptable at Our Lady's University.
Dale Noble   |2009-04-06 07:43:24
I am not wanting to malign Fr. Schall as I believe him to be equally appalled by what is happening at Notre Dame and elsewhere. My comments were brought about as a result of dealing continually with what I call "Obama Catholics" and my frustration that they consider themselves catholic (or Catholic!), and especially those priests who fall into that category.
One cannot be both...a Catholic and an Obama Catholic.
One cannot promote an intrinsic evil such as abortion and be Roman Catholic. Obama is today the President of the United States because Catholics voted for him. While their reasoning did not give proper consideration to abortion and the culture of death embraced by Obama, they instead placed the economy ahead of the worst slaughter of the innocents in history. We are beginning to see the ramifications of that vote by Catholics.
Hope must be in Jesus Christ only, change is definately coming to our great Country.
Dale Noble   |2009-04-06 07:49:19
Country.

Let us all pray diligently and daily for a return to the values upon which America was created, and for the grace to be faithful to the Church that Jesus began.
Mon Archy  - Catholic   |2009-04-06 12:44:47
Notre Dame's decision to invite someone who opposes the Catholic's view on abortion is like asking the mortician to give an inspirational talk to young athletes aspiring for the Olympics.
Patrick McCarthy   |2009-04-12 12:38:59
As Father Corapi occasionally says . . .

"I ain't going to hell for any of you" . . . saying this when he want's to emphasize that he must Teach the Truths of the Faith, the Truth of JESUS . . .

. . . this should be the attitude of Bishops . . .

Rather the Bishops lead the sheep into the ditch of faithlessness . . . with themselves . . . these Bishops who render the Faith as meaningless. . . these Bishops . . . who for years and years have mislead the members of the Church . . . finally . . . into Voting "Pro-Choice" . . . voting for O'Bama . . . despite his almost militant 'anti-life' positions on issues which positions are profoundly 'evil' in their essence.

Even if O'Bama is only 'wrong-minded' . . . these positions which he takes are still profoundly 'evil' in their essence.

Bishops who do not recognize this . . . have perhaps already lost the Faith.

Don't follow such as these or you will both fall off the cliff.

GOD Bless us all . . . as we need such Blessings . . . that we may 'see' in the darkness, the Light of CHRIST which comes to us from the Church founded on Peter.

Do not leave Peter . . . neither leave him to the right nor to the left.

Stay in the light of Faith.
Patrick McCarthy   |2009-04-12 12:40:39
in continuance . . .

Don't follow such as these or you will both fall off the cliff.

GOD Bless us all . . . as we need such Blessings . . . that we may 'see' in the darkness, the Light of CHRIST which comes to us from the Church founded on Peter.

Do not leave Peter . . . neither leave him to the right nor to the left.

Stay in the light of Faith.
Guin Chapman  - Obama is not good for any Church     |2009-04-20 14:17:37

Obama is not a catholic or a Christain, He is a anti-Christ Talking about Jenking going to Berkly, that says a lot
Look at what he had done at Georgtown, he had them to remove or cover up the emblen that refered to Christ. He hates God, and wants to be God. Listen to some of his speeches. he trys to use Jesus , but he don't want his name spoken. There.s a lot more coming, this is just the tip of the iceberg. We should all get down on our knees and pray to God for mercy and praise him for his long suffering. This world is coming to an end, us as Godly people can change it by obeying God God bless you
James Joseph  - RUDY, RUDY RUDY   |2009-04-22 13:49:00
In the movie Rudy his friend takes his girlfriend with him to Miami with the repast: " Whats a lapsed Catholic to do?" The movie itself exposes the heart of the problem which is the replacement of substance with superficial sentimentalism. Emotionalism which forsakes reason and faith seems the fate of Catholicism which ignores its most central tenets. A most dangerous leaven!
Pauline  - The Notre Dame Commencement     |2009-05-11 08:54:44
What would Jesus do? I will tell you since many catholics do not know what's in the bible, much less follow the example of Christ. This is what I know of Jesus, as layed out in man's bible: Jesus was often in the company of sinners and prostitues, yet he NEVER condemned them for their sins or way of life. He merely continued to preach the WORD and LOVE of God. Jesus sat and ate with these sinners. He never told them they were bad (maybe wrong,) and never told them they were going to hell for their sins. He only admonished them to change their ways in order to seek peace with God as well as themselves. So I'll tell you what Jesus today would do: He would welcome President Obama at Notre Dame with open arms and graciously accept him as a brother, regardless of creed or stance on abortion and other controversial issues. This is one of the main reasons why I left the catholic church: you say you follow Christ, but you never mean it. Today I am more spiritual than I have ever been, and going to church and thumping bibles never got me closer to God than I feel now. It saddens me that so many apparent christians have so much hate in their hearts.
Larry   |2009-05-12 12:08:45
Ms. Pauline,

I can't give you exact New Testament citations, but I seem to recall Jesus saying to the woman caught in adultery: "go your way and sin no more." Didn't he also say to his listeners words to this effect: "do not think that the workmen killed by the falling tower at Siloe were the worst sinners around--I tell you the same thing will happen to you if you do not repent." He excoriated the Temple authorities for being proud, unrepentent sinners, saying "how can you escape damnation." He said that some people who would be active in His Church would be stunned to learn at their judgment that they were damned.("Didn't we prophesy in your name and cast out demons...etc?")
You say he "never told them they were going to hell for their sins." You obviously skipped many parts of the Gospels. On the contrary, he probably warned of hell more times than He spoke of heaven.
Sharon Marr  - re: Work Place Bullying and Assault   |2009-11-11 14:03:12
Francis Sparagna wrote:
Since when is capital punishment c;early against the teaching of the Catholic church??/ You sound like another one of those "cafeteria Catholics" who pick & choose whatever they,themselves, think is wrong--not what Catholic Doctrine thinks is morally right or wrong.
To people like you--as with some priests & Bishops, abortion is only lukewarmly wrong --while your usual secular liberal agenda gets promoted eternally.
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