Hawaii State Representative Jo Jordan
Matthew Schmitz at First Thoughts comes this interview with Hawaii State
Representative Jo Jordan. Last week Rep. Jordan, who is gay, voted against a
bill that would legalize same-sex marriage in Hawaii. The bill passed the
Hawaii house, and today was approved by the state Senate.
her interview with Honolulu Magazine,
Rep. Jordan discusses the reaction she received from religious groups and
gay-rights activists before and after the house vote:
thought I was going to get blasted by the religious community. When I walked
into the hearings, I was like, those faith-based guys are going to come out.
And not one of them said anything. They were more about, "Thank you, thank
you for listening." And they didn’t know who I was. Outside, I was Rep.
Jordan sitting at the table. They had no idea who I was, or my lifestyle, and
that’s why I like it. …
blasted by the GLBT community on Saturday, outside the door. That took me
aback. … These were testifiers the day before, saying, “How can you be
undecided? You should be a 'yes.' Do you know what this means?” And I politely
engaged with them: "I have some problems with SB1." I explained the
issues and they slammed me again. “It’s good. Just vote yes.” They started
getting boisterous. My natural instinct is, I’m going to fly some words at you.
But you can’t, so I’m like, "Thank you."
It has been
interesting. I am not part of any faith-based group, so I walked in thinking
those were going to be the ones going, grrrr, grrrr. But unfortunately, it’s
been coming from my community during the hearing. I was like, “Wow, so much for
minorities that have been suppressed.” But I’ve got to look at it this way: Maybe
they feel they’ve been suppressed for so long that they no longer can contain
it and they are just going to lash out at anything without thinking first. But
I have to keep that faith to help me not take it personally. It’s not about who
is right and who is wrong. It’s about, are we creating a measure that meets the
needs of all?
I had come
to the decision that SB1 needed to amended. It wasn’t protective enough for
everybody. And I truly know, my GLBT community is not going to go somewhere
where they are not welcome. They are not going to go, "Pastor, you need to
marry us, even though it is against your grain." Because they want their
happy day to be a happy day. A couple isn’t going to step into something that’s
not warm and welcoming. We’re really looking at those fringe guys, those ones
that pop up on the edges that say, "You’re treading on my rights, so I’m
going to come and challenge you."
In the end, Rep. Jordan
voted against the bill because, she said, it did not offer adequate protections
for religious freedom:
here to protect the big churches or the little churches, I’m saying we can’t
erode what’s currently out there. We don’t want to scratch at the religious
protections at all, because if we don’t create a measure that’s bulletproof, or
as close to bulletproof as possible, then the measure will go to the courts.
And they will interpret it however that may be. A judge will make assumptions
and make a ruling, and that will become the law of the land. So you really want
us to create the legislation.
I haven’t figured
out why I felt so compelled to fight for the religious exemptions, to not erode
Constitutional rights. I don’t belong to any particular denomination. I don’t
wear one of those hats. I take religion out of everything. My religion is the
mountain, the aina and spiritual. Everybody finds their own religion somewhere.
I have the same values as they do, but it’s just a little different. When I
walked into this session, that rose to the surface. Why me? Why am I trying to
protect your religious rights?